PorkChop wrote:What's more valuable? A late 1st round pick or a washed up Kevin Martin 5 years from now? Wether that pics with the team or not no one can possibly know. What is a guarantee is Martin not being a valuable asset .. instant gratification or long term depth?
Heck, He's not a big part of the games being won now!
ahughes53 wrote:This was actually something that crossed my mind to post, just not necessarily with LaVine being the catalyst to his departure. Martin, in my eyes and I have seen every game this season but Indiana, a net loss on the team. We say we need his shooting, but he's shooting some of the worst averages of his career, he's in a slump? I'll beg to differ, I think he's hunting for his shot so damn hard that he's taking bad shots just to put them up.
I don't know how I never noticed it before, probably because we needed him to do this before because of injuries but watching him pull a defender off Bazz or Nemanja or whoever, where could simply flick the ball over to them for an open shot or drive, and him jump and doing that push shot float from 10-15 feet out might be the most frustrating thing since watching JJ Berea play for us. To me, for what I always learned basketball was, he is an absolutely atrocious basketball player, almost no feel for the game, just knowing that he's talented enough to score, and he's damn well going to try. I say we get rid of him for anything half decent that doesn't cripple us salary wise and move on. Like it was said, he helped win the Laker game, but I haven't seen a game since where's he's really affected the outcome that positively, or at all. While he does look to be working hard on defense someone posted his on/off numbers a little while ago and the team, statistically are much worse with him on the court.
Time to let the lion out of his cage...er...you know what I mean...let's give Zach his shot, and for that matter, let's give Tyus some game time minutes to see if we need to be looking at PGs going forward, cause he was mighty impressive for Duke and we'll never really find out with Martin here taking up LaVine's minutes at the 2.
/endrant
monsterpile wrote:I think a lot of people assume Martin will opt out of his final year of his contract. What kind of deal do you think he gets?
longstrangetrip wrote:Look, I don't love Kevin Martin's game, and his occasional lack of effort on the defensive side of the court doesn't fit with Sam Mitchell's gritty philosophy he is imparting to the team. But as one of the only playoffs-are-possible win-now guys on this board, I recognize that we need Kevin's offense and shooting...no, not the offense and shooting he has been providing so far this season, but rather the offense and shooting he has consistently provided throughout his career. After a typically productive first four games of the season, Kevin missed several days for personal reasons, and ever since he has been terrible...likely the worst shooting of his career. We don't know what personal issues he had, but I'm convinced they have had a lingering effect on his production, a la Thad Young last year.
But Kevin showed signs of breaking out of his slump last game, scoring 12 points in 21 minutes on only 7 shots. That's the kind of production he has consistently provided his entire career, and likely what he will give us the rest of the year. This team is so solid defensively that we can afford (and actually need) a couple guys like Martin and Shabazz who can come in and provide instant offense and win a game for you. Kevin's MPG are down 6 from his career average, and I think that is both good and a trend that will continue. But there will be those nights where he if feeling it and Sam will ride him to a victory.
By all means, trade him if someone offers us a return that is way too good to pass up...but he's going to be 33 in a couple months and I don't think that is likely. So I say keep him as a sometimes frustrating but still important piece in the 2015-6 run to the playoffs.
TeamRicky wrote:longstrangetrip wrote:Look, I don't love Kevin Martin's game, and his occasional lack of effort on the defensive side of the court doesn't fit with Sam Mitchell's gritty philosophy he is imparting to the team. But as one of the only playoffs-are-possible win-now guys on this board, I recognize that we need Kevin's offense and shooting...no, not the offense and shooting he has been providing so far this season, but rather the offense and shooting he has consistently provided throughout his career. After a typically productive first four games of the season, Kevin missed several days for personal reasons, and ever since he has been terrible...likely the worst shooting of his career. We don't know what personal issues he had, but I'm convinced they have had a lingering effect on his production, a la Thad Young last year.
But Kevin showed signs of breaking out of his slump last game, scoring 12 points in 21 minutes on only 7 shots. That's the kind of production he has consistently provided his entire career, and likely what he will give us the rest of the year. This team is so solid defensively that we can afford (and actually need) a couple guys like Martin and Shabazz who can come in and provide instant offense and win a game for you. Kevin's MPG are down 6 from his career average, and I think that is both good and a trend that will continue. But there will be those nights where he if feeling it and Sam will ride him to a victory.
By all means, trade him if someone offers us a return that is way too good to pass up...but he's going to be 33 in a couple months and I don't think that is likely. So I say keep him as a sometimes frustrating but still important piece in the 2015-6 run to the playoffs.
I agree with you LST. Plus as long as he's here he can teach (mentor) some of the younger guys like Wiggins, Zach and Bazz how to draw more fouls.
