Offseason trade forum

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I'd go after Holiday, not a rookie PG. 21/7/5 and he's a really good defensive PG. I'd rather not throw away an entire season on a rookie PG when we need to start winning on Towns' second contract. Holiday for Wiggins straight up works. See if a playoff team will take Teague off our hands.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

West continues to get stacked. Pelicans and Lakers are on paper in my opinion better than the wolves

The Pelicans are going to be pretty bad next year. Ball and Ingram are really unproven as cornerstones of a winning team and Zion isn't going to carry a team on his own as a rookie. Look at how good Luca was last year and he couldn't carry that team either. Holiday is solid, but that team likely doesn't have an all-star on it next year so I don't see how they will be better than us stacked with veterans and Towns and a full offseason away from Thibs and Jimmy.

[Monster]

I'd go after Holiday, not a rookie PG. 21/7/5 and he's a really good defensive PG. I'd rather not throw away an entire season on a rookie PG when we need to start winning on Towns' second contract. Holiday for Wiggins straight up works. See if a playoff team will take Teague off our hands.

Why would the Pels do that? If Holiday was available there will be tons of team willing to give up some thing good for a two way guy that can legitimately play either guard position. I'd guess the Pels are gonna try and actually win games. They may have a Pretty high depth of talent kinda like the Clippers did last year. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pels make a deal for a good veteran themselves.

[Lipoli390]

I'd go after Holiday, not a rookie PG. 21/7/5 and he's a really good defensive PG. I'd rather not throw away an entire season on a rookie PG when we need to start winning on Towns' second contract. Holiday for Wiggins straight up works. See if a playoff team will take Teague off our hands.

I've seen reports that the Pelicans intend to keep Holiday with the idea that they could be reasonably competitive this next season with him and all the young talent they're acquiring this summer. So I don't think he's available. And even if he were available, I don't see the Wolves having the assets to get him. The Pelicans aren't going to trade Holiday straight up for Wiggins. Would they trade Holiday for Teague straight up for cap relief the following season? That's more likely than a Wiggins deal, but still unlikely. At the end of the day, the Wolves shouldn't be in the market for 29/30 year old allstar caliber players. This team has to find players in their early to mid 20s with allstar potential who can develop as part of an elite core around the 23-year old Towns. KAT is in the first year of a 5-year contract. That gives us some time to build this thing in the right way so the team's core players gel and peak at the same time and create a sustainable contender.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

If the Lakers strike out on Walker or Irving, Teague becomes an option. His contract allows them to get some depth and it's an expiring deal that gives them some flexibility.

[WildWolf2813]

What is interesting is what the Pels do with that #4 pick. Right now they are pretty well stocked on the perimeter. Do they moves some guys? Do they make other deals? Is there a big they could take at #4? Could it be available in a trade? AD is a big move in the offseason but I would guess that they aren't done making moves.

The good news is that the Pelicans don't need a PG. So this might open a path for the Wolves to end up with Garland.

They might still need a PG if they don't think Lonzo Ball is their long term option there.

The Pelicans seem set everywhere except C.

I just don't think we have anything to give besides an unprotected first to move up to 4 (and then they could move down to 11 and draft Bol Bol or Goga or even Hayes)

[WildWolf2813]

If the Lakers strike out on Walker or Irving, Teague becomes an option. His contract allows them to get some depth and it's an expiring deal that gives them some flexibility.

They could just sign Beverley or even Rubio at a fraction of the cost.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

If the Lakers strike out on Walker or Irving, Teague becomes an option. His contract allows them to get some depth and it's an expiring deal that gives them some flexibility.

They could just sign Beverley or even Rubio at a fraction of the cost.

Neither is a threat offensively.

[WildWolf2813]

If the Lakers strike out on Walker or Irving, Teague becomes an option. His contract allows them to get some depth and it's an expiring deal that gives them some flexibility.

They could just sign Beverley or even Rubio at a fraction of the cost.

Neither is a threat offensively.

Teague isn't much of a threat offensively these days either.

At least Beverley will be better from outside and MUCH better defensively for a team that doesn't have much on defense at all than Teague would offer at $19 mil

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I'd go after Holiday, not a rookie PG. 21/7/5 and he's a really good defensive PG. I'd rather not throw away an entire season on a rookie PG when we need to start winning on Towns' second contract. Holiday for Wiggins straight up works. See if a playoff team will take Teague off our hands.

I've seen reports that the Pelicans intend to keep Holiday with the idea that they could be reasonably competitive this next season with him and all the young talent they're acquiring this summer. So I don't think he's available. And even if he were available, I don't see the Wolves having the assets to get him. The Pelicans aren't going to trade Holiday straight up for Wiggins. Would they trade Holiday for Teague straight up for cap relief the following season? That's more likely than a Wiggins deal, but still unlikely. At the end of the day, the Wolves shouldn't be in the market for 29/30 year old allstar caliber players. This team has to find players in their early to mid 20s with allstar potential who can develop as part of an elite core around the 23-year old Towns. KAT is in the first year of a 5-year contract. That gives us some time to build this thing in the right way so the team's core players gel and peak at the same time and create a sustainable contender.

Trying to get better assets in a bad draft is not building the right way. That's a desperate way to build and it's literally like trying to win the lottery to be successful. Then rinse and repeat every year. Which is what we've been seeing for years now. If you want KAT to continue to develop positively you need to put people around him who are good at basketball. Especially the ball handlers who run our offense. Not rookies who need a few years to learn how to play the right way. We're at the point where any rookies we do get should be having to fight their way into the rotation behind quality veterans. Not have the way cleared for them like trading Teague to try to get Garland. Where are you at if Garland isn't the real deal? That's a massive risk/reward situation. Everyone just assumes build it right means you have to draft your way there and that just isn't the case. The Raptors didn't draft their way there. 4 of their 5 starters weren't drafted by them. Houston has 1 starter that they drafted and they've been the 2nd/3rd best team in the league the last few years. GS, Milwaukee and Philly drafted some of their best players, but not all of them. So there is no one right way to build a team and again, trying to build a team that's going to stay together and contend for 5, 6, 7 years which is the draft route just isn't realistic. Think of what the Warriors just had to do just to get 5 years out of that team. OKC did almost everything right and it still didn't work out. You just have to keep making the best moves for your team at every turn and that doesn't always mean one road-map to success. Holiday may not available, but we have to think differently about this rebuild than just rinse and repeat draft guys and hope they pan out.