Camden0916 wrote:I'm a little confused why Abe's getting attacked. The purpose of his post, in my view, was to basically illustrate that while every move we make is important, the real key to the Wolves success (if there will be any) is the growth of Wiggins, LaVine and this top pick. It's a fair and logical statement. He just didn't provide any talk about trading Martin/Bud/Bjelica or signing anyone. I think that's fine.
This was literally his first paragraph:
"Don't care for the most part (sans the #1 pick). That's all moving the furniture type of stuff. And I think the next couple of years will be about finding out if the Wolves even have the right house."
So his first sentence says he doesn't care about the whole premise of the thread. His second sentence belittles the moves that are being discussed in the thread. He didn't understand why Cool called him out for belittling the idea of the thread. I gave him a basic answer. He proceeded to double down on his belittling thought process. Maybe that wasn't his intention, but that's how it came off to me and this isn't the first time Abe has utilized his "moving furniture" thought process.
Still confused. Don't know why khans is derailing the entire thread with this either.
I don't see what's wrong with the "moving furniture" comment considering that for the first time since Marbury/Garnett in 1996... the Wolves are at a point where they MIGHT have legit foundation pieces on the team and a ton of hope moving forward. Signing Shane Heal proved pointless. Signing Dean Garrett proved pretty savvy. But neither really mattered when the KG/Marbury pairing didn't pan out.
AGAIN... that doesn't mean this thread can't be filled with entertaining and fun discussions. I'm sure I'd have had fun with a Shane Heal trade thread back in 1996 online. I've said that it can be interesting repeatedly now and would even participate in that kind of thread... if it hadn't evolved into whatever this is. Sadly.
Personally, I'd prefer that but can play this any way you want.
[Note: My initial post wasn't meant to belittle anybody. I don't even know if Cool took it that way. Only that khans did for some reason. I don't even know how it could be perceived as belittling anybody.]
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Still confused. Don't know why khans is derailing the entire thread with this either.
I don't see what's wrong with the "moving furniture" comment considering that for the first time since Marbury/Garnett in 1996... the Wolves are at a point where they MIGHT have legit foundation pieces on the team and a ton of hope moving forward. Signing Shane Heal proved pointless. Signing Dean Garrett proved pretty savvy. But neither really mattered when the KG/Marbury pairing didn't pan out.
AGAIN... that doesn't mean this thread can't be filled with entertaining and fun discussions. I'm sure I'd have had fun with a Shane Heal trade thread back in 1996 online. I've said that it can be interesting repeatedly now and would even participate in that kind of thread... if it hadn't evolved into whatever this is. Sadly.
Personally, I'd prefer that but can play this any way you want.
[Note: My initial post wasn't meant to belittle anybody. I don't even know if Cool took it that way. Only that khans did for some reason. I don't even know how it could be perceived as belittling anybody.]
So you don't think it's belittling to say the moves this thread was created to discuss don't matter unless guys we are already fully invested in pan out? You said yourself that we might have the foundational pieces so that sounds like the perfect time to talk about where the furniture should go. I guess I don't see how it makes sense to talk up how it can be fun to talk about this stuff, proceed to not talk about it and then say that it won't matter anyway if our young guys don't pan out.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Still confused. Don't know why khans is derailing the entire thread with this either.
I don't see what's wrong with the "moving furniture" comment considering that for the first time since Marbury/Garnett in 1996... the Wolves are at a point where they MIGHT have legit foundation pieces on the team and a ton of hope moving forward. Signing Shane Heal proved pointless. Signing Dean Garrett proved pretty savvy. But neither really mattered when the KG/Marbury pairing didn't pan out.
AGAIN... that doesn't mean this thread can't be filled with entertaining and fun discussions. I'm sure I'd have had fun with a Shane Heal trade thread back in 1996 online. I've said that it can be interesting repeatedly now and would even participate in that kind of thread... if it hadn't evolved into whatever this is. Sadly.
Personally, I'd prefer that but can play this any way you want.
[Note: My initial post wasn't meant to belittle anybody. I don't even know if Cool took it that way. Only that khans did for some reason. I don't even know how it could be perceived as belittling anybody.]
So you don't think it's belittling to say the moves this thread was created to discuss don't matter unless guys we are already fully invested in pan out? You said yourself that we might have the foundational pieces so that sounds like the perfect time to talk about where the furniture should go. I guess I don't see how it makes sense to talk up how it can be fun to talk about this stuff, proceed to not talk about it and then say that it won't matter anyway if our young guys don't pan out.
You gotta stop, man. Let it go.
Add something to the thread and let's see how interesting we can make it.
[Note: We don't know if we have the foundation yet... certainly not enough to add furniture that might not even last until our first Parade of Homes showing. But there's hope for that foundation. I find that fun and exciting. But I don't know if it's going to happen... or what kind of help they'll need around them to succeed long-term... because we don't really know what types (how good) of players they even are yet.]
That's the problem we keep spending on guys that don't change the win column that much. We also have vets on this team that take what I see as valuable playing time from our kids. I think I am one of the few that wouldn't hate yet another losing season. Trade Pek, K-Mart, and Ricky.......actually everyone is expendable other than Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed and those 3 should all play the bulk of the mins along with who we take #1.
Tactical unit wrote:That's the problem we keep spending on guys that don't change the win column that much. We also have vets on this team that take what I see as valuable playing time from our kids. I think I am one of the few that wouldn't hate yet another losing season. Trade Pek, K-Mart, and Ricky.......actually everyone is expendable other than Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed and those 3 should all play the bulk of the mins along with who we take #1.
Ricky is still young, so I would keep him and see if you can yet develop him. He has everything but a jumper and durability. I would trade Martin provided the compensation were fair. I'm not sure you can find a partner for Pek.
It seems pretty clear Flip isn't moving Martin and nobody is trading for Pek. I think the poll was a pretty good list of possible moves although I know some people would like to move Martin
Abe what of these possible moves interests you the most?
I think moving Bud makes sense because there is a chance a team actually wants him so we might get something back or at least have a little more money available to sign a younger deck chair FA that could be a solid contributor in the future of the team. He is the most likely to be traded on the team and then AB and then when it comes to assets the 2nd rounders are the most likely followed Bjelica maybe not too far behind.
monsterpile wrote:It seems pretty clear Flip isn't moving Martin and nobody is trading for Pek. I think the poll was a pretty good list of possible moves although I know some people would like to move Martin
Abe what of these possible moves interests you the most?
I think moving Bud makes sense because there is a chance a team actually wants him so we might get something back or at least have a little more money available to sign a younger deck chair FA that could be a solid contributor in the future of the team. He is the most likely to be traded on the team and then AB and then when it comes to assets the 2nd rounders are the most likely followed Bjelica maybe not too far behind.
Trade second and third tier assets to get back into the lottery? And hope that guy pans out in a Zach LaVine (holy cow, this guy could maybe turn into legit starter in this league for many years) type of way.
Basically, the Philly plan. The Orlando plan. Get enough lottery picks on your team and hope one or two or three of them pan out to make your team special. After all, the Wolves aren't in the playoffs this season. Or, probably the next. I'm not suggesting we embrace the lottery and losing and promise of hope any more than we already have... I'm just saying to grab as much high-end talent and potential while we can -- and then develop it into something special where moving furniture around can really make the entire room/house shine.
monsterpile wrote:It seems pretty clear Flip isn't moving Martin and nobody is trading for Pek. I think the poll was a pretty good list of possible moves although I know some people would like to move Martin
Abe what of these possible moves interests you the most?
I think moving Bud makes sense because there is a chance a team actually wants him so we might get something back or at least have a little more money available to sign a younger deck chair FA that could be a solid contributor in the future of the team. He is the most likely to be traded on the team and then AB and then when it comes to assets the 2nd rounders are the most likely followed Bjelica maybe not too far behind.
Trade second and third tier assets to get back into the lottery? And hope that guy pans out in a Zach LaVine (holy cow, this guy could maybe turn into legit starter in this league for many years) type of way.
Basically, the Philly plan. The Orlando plan. Get enough lottery picks on your team and hope one or two or three of them pan out to make your team special. After all, the Wolves aren't in the playoffs this season. Or, probably the next. I'm not suggesting we embrace the lottery and losing and promise of hope any more than we already have... I'm just saying to grab as much high-end talent and potential while we can -- and then develop it into something special where moving furniture around can really make the entire room/house shine.
Getting into the lottery would be pretty exciting.
So what kind of furniture do you like? I'm really into mid century stuff right now.
