Reusse on the Sports Show last night...agree or disagree

[Coolbreeze44]

I voted agree. I have tremendous respect for Love as a player, and really enjoyed watching him. But for some reason 1 + 1 didn't = 2 with this guy. It came up to about 1.45. I just don't think he can be the #1 guy on a championship caliber team. He will be great in Cleveland and I expect him to win titles there. But for us he was always going to be the main cog, and I hate to say it guys, that was never going to be enough. We would have given him the max contract obviously, and tried to continually build around him as the focal point. He's just not that type of player. KG got us into the playoffs year after year with less talent than Love had around him.

So for these reasons I agree with Reusse. It was time to make this move to give the fan base hope, and capitalize on some special circumstances that have presented themselves. Maybe we become a contender within 3-5 years, maybe we don't. But I think it's a great time to find out instead of continuing to hammer a square peg into a round hole.

[The Rage Monster [enjin:8010341]]

I agreed. For me the question is will we be able to somehow acquire that #1 player while keeping Love? For me the answer is no. Rubio, Dieng, and Pek are good players but they don't look like that guy. He didn't see much playing time but Shabazz doesn't appear to be the guy either. I don't see any trades not involving Love that would net us that player and I don't see any top free agents coming here.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Some of these posts agreeing are alluding to the idea that we got a good return for Love right now instead of the idea that trading Love for Wiggins/Bennett/1st is a good move even if he was locked up for three more years. I just don't see how that's logical.

At least if Wiggins completely busts in the real life scenario, it was a trade we got cornered into taking. If you trade Love with three more years left on his deal for this package and Wiggins flops, you just set your franchise back a solid five years, if not more.

[Monster]

I voted agree. I have tremendous respect for Love as a player, and really enjoyed watching him. But for some reason 1 + 1 didn't = 2 with this guy. It came up to about 1.45. I just don't think he can be the #1 guy on a championship caliber team. He will be great in Cleveland and I expect him to win titles there. But for us he was always going to be the main cog, and I hate to say it guys, that was never going to be enough. We would have given him the max contract obviously, and tried to continually build around him as the focal point. He's just not that type of player. KG got us into the playoffs year after year with less talent than Love had around him.

So for these reasons I agree with Reusse. It was time to make this move to give the fan base hope, and capitalize on some special circumstances that have presented themselves. Maybe we become a contender within 3-5 years, maybe we don't. But I think it's a great time to find out instead of continuing to hammer a square peg into a round hole.

Thats just not true.

[Lipoli390]

I would not have done this deal if we had Love locked up for 3 more years under the 5-year deal Kahn and Taylor should have given him. But at some point we'll be able to look back with the benefit of hindsight and know for sure whether this would have bee a good deal under any circumstances. If Wiggins becomes the two-way superstar some have projected in 3-4 years, then we're better off than we would have been keeping Love.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Cam, you say in your post that the deal had the risk of setting the franchise back five years. But I think many of the "agree" voters are saying that's a risk they would be willing to take on. I mean, after you have missed the playoffs ten years in a row, how much further can a franchise really slip?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Cam, you say in your post that the deal had the risk of setting the franchise back five years. But I think many of the "agree" voters are saying that's a risk they would be willing to take on. I mean, after you have missed the playoffs ten years in a row, how much further can a franchise really slip?

If you had Love under contract for three more years, and you just won 40 games in what was an unlucky season, then why blow it up when you're on the cusp of finally turning it around after a decade? Really? You're telling me you wouldn't re-tool the bench and expect good things to happen?

[ace [enjin:6598567]]

Trading Love with 3 years left on his deal would be idiotic. It's so difficult to find a top-10 player in the league. The only reason people are excited about this trade is because Wiggins has A CHANCE to be what Love is. Most of the time when you trade a star, you don't even get someone with that potential.

Sometimes I think people forget how much this team has improved in Love's time here. It wasn't quite as quickly as everyone hoped, but they made huge strides. They went from 17 wins to 26, then to 31, and then to 40. That's a 23-win improvement in 3 seasons, which is an amazing jump in success. The team was never going to win a title with last year's roster, but a move or two and they could continue their growth.

With an upgraded bench, better coaching, and a bit better luck, the Wolves could easily make the playoffs this season. Say they don't, though, and win 45 games. Well that's another 5-win improvement. If Dieng produced well all year, you trade Pek for an upgraded starter at SF. That improves the team a bit more, and now you're at 50+ wins. Love still has a year on his deal, and you just made the playoffs as a 4 or 5 seed.

This team was a move or two away from being really good, but since Kahn gave Love the option of leaving after 3 years, Flip didn't have time to make those moves. Love was gone, and for the future of the team he had to make a trade.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Trading Love with 3 years left on his deal would be idiotic. It's so difficult to find a top-10 player in the league. The only reason people are excited about this trade is because Wiggins has A CHANCE to be what Love is. Most of the time when you trade a star, you don't even get someone with that potential.

Sometimes I think people forget how much this team has improved in Love's time here. It wasn't quite as quickly as everyone hoped, but they made huge strides. They went from 17 wins to 26, then to 31, and then to 40. That's a 23-win improvement in 3 seasons, which is an amazing jump in success. The team was never going to win a title with last year's roster, but a move or two and they could continue their growth.

With an upgraded bench, better coaching, and a bit better luck, the Wolves could easily make the playoffs this season. Say they don't, though, and win 45 games. Well that's another 5-win improvement. If Dieng produced well all year, you trade Pek for an upgraded starter at SF. That improves the team a bit more, and now you're at 50+ wins. Love still has a year on his deal, and you just made the playoffs as a 4 or 5 seed.

This team was a move or two away from being really good, but since Kahn gave Love the option of leaving after 3 years, Flip didn't have time to make those moves. Love was gone, and for the future of the team he had to make a trade.

You make some logical points, ace. Unfortunately, there's one person that doesn't agree with you...Kevin Love.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Trading Love with 3 years left on his deal would be idiotic. It's so difficult to find a top-10 player in the league. The only reason people are excited about this trade is because Wiggins has A CHANCE to be what Love is. Most of the time when you trade a star, you don't even get someone with that potential.

Sometimes I think people forget how much this team has improved in Love's time here. It wasn't quite as quickly as everyone hoped, but they made huge strides. They went from 17 wins to 26, then to 31, and then to 40. That's a 23-win improvement in 3 seasons, which is an amazing jump in success. The team was never going to win a title with last year's roster, but a move or two and they could continue their growth.

With an upgraded bench, better coaching, and a bit better luck, the Wolves could easily make the playoffs this season. Say they don't, though, and win 45 games. Well that's another 5-win improvement. If Dieng produced well all year, you trade Pek for an upgraded starter at SF. That improves the team a bit more, and now you're at 50+ wins. Love still has a year on his deal, and you just made the playoffs as a 4 or 5 seed.

This team was a move or two away from being really good, but since Kahn gave Love the option of leaving after 3 years, Flip didn't have time to make those moves. Love was gone, and for the future of the team he had to make a trade.

You make some logical points, ace. Unfortunately, there's one person that doesn't agree with you...Kevin Love.

well now he gets to jump ahead of the process and be on a contender today. can't blame him