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Can anyone explain to me what the big deal is with Scoot?

I see extreme hype, yet lackluster actual contribution.

I don't see a D-Rose, a John Wall, even an unremarkable college Russell Westbrook profile.

Maybe I haven't dug enough into him, so someone please tell me why he should be enough to warrant a proven talent like KAT without substantial additional assets.
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TheFuture wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:34 pm Can anyone explain to me what the big deal is with Scoot?

I see extreme hype, yet lackluster actual contribution.

I don't see a D-Rose, a John Wall, even an unremarkable college Russell Westbrook profile.

Maybe I haven't dug enough into him, so someone please tell me why he should be enough to warrant a proven talent like KAT without substantial additional assets.
6'9'' wingspan, awesome finishing ability at the rim and has legit two way potential.

That and if you're a PG needy team, he's the last really good one you're gonna see for a while. The 24 and 25 classes don't offer much at all at PG.
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WildWolf2813 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:51 pm
TheFuture wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:34 pm Can anyone explain to me what the big deal is with Scoot?

I see extreme hype, yet lackluster actual contribution.

I don't see a D-Rose, a John Wall, even an unremarkable college Russell Westbrook profile.

Maybe I haven't dug enough into him, so someone please tell me why he should be enough to warrant a proven talent like KAT without substantial additional assets.
6'9'' wingspan, awesome finishing ability at the rim and has legit two way potential.

That and if you're a PG needy team, he's the last really good one you're gonna see for a while. The 24 and 25 classes don't offer much at all at PG.
6"9 wingspan is decent for a guard, but it doesn't automatically translate to good defense. Case in point: DLO's wingspan was a bit more than 6"9. If you want a guard with a real long wingspan, then Shake Milton is your guy. He's got a 7 foot wingspan. Plus, he's available as an unrestricted free agent.
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So, Lillard want Draymond Green. And when that doesn't happen (because you know the Warriors will re-sign him)? Enter KAT! :D
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60WinTim wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:10 pm So, Lillard want Draymond Green. And when that doesn't happen (because you know the Warriors will re-sign him)? Enter KAT! :D
Lol. Apparently, Lillard has his list and Draymond’s on it. I would think KAT’s on it too. But TC has be crystal clear that he wants to win next season. Trading KAT for Scoot runs counter to TC’s goal. It’s not going to happen. KAT or Rudy will probably be traded next summer - unless the two really click together and the Wolves make the NBA finals (or at least the Western Conference finals).

I think Portland will end up trading Scoot this summer for someone, but it won’t be for Green or KAT. I’ve already called Portland’s front office and offered Rudy Gobert. They said they’d get back to me. Oddly, they’ve never contacted me in the 4 weeks since my call.
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Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:35 pm
60WinTim wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:10 pm So, Lillard want Draymond Green. And when that doesn't happen (because you know the Warriors will re-sign him)? Enter KAT! :D
Lol. Apparently, Lillard has his list and Draymond’s on it. I would think KAT’s on it too. But TC has be crystal clear that he wants to win next season. Trading KAT for Scoot runs counter to TC’s goal. It’s not going to happen. KAT or Rudy will probably be traded next summer - unless the two really click together and the Wolves make the NBA finals (or at least the Western Conference finals).

I think Portland will end up trading Scoot this summer for someone, but it won’t be for Green or KAT. I’ve already called Portland’s front office and offered Rudy Gobert. They said they’d get back to me. Oddly, they’ve never contacted me in the 4 weeks since my call.
But what is so special about Scoot?
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TheFuture wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:37 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:35 pm
60WinTim wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:10 pm So, Lillard want Draymond Green. And when that doesn't happen (because you know the Warriors will re-sign him)? Enter KAT! :D
Lol. Apparently, Lillard has his list and Draymond’s on it. I would think KAT’s on it too. But TC has be crystal clear that he wants to win next season. Trading KAT for Scoot runs counter to TC’s goal. It’s not going to happen. KAT or Rudy will probably be traded next summer - unless the two really click together and the Wolves make the NBA finals (or at least the Western Conference finals).

I think Portland will end up trading Scoot this summer for someone, but it won’t be for Green or KAT. I’ve already called Portland’s front office and offered Rudy Gobert. They said they’d get back to me. Oddly, they’ve never contacted me in the 4 weeks since my call.
But what is so special about Scoot?
Scoot’s probably Portland’s most valuable asset to get a good vet in return to pair with Lillard. I’m not totally sold on Scoot. His G-League numbers were good but not eye-popping. His 27.5% three-point shooting is a read flag. His 2.9 foul shots per game is also a troublesome stat for someone as athletic as Scoot. I’ve watched video of him and can see why he’s highly rated. But like any pick other than Wemby, he’s not a sure thing.
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Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:40 pm
TheFuture wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:37 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:35 pm

Lol. Apparently, Lillard has his list and Draymond’s on it. I would think KAT’s on it too. But TC has be crystal clear that he wants to win next season. Trading KAT for Scoot runs counter to TC’s goal. It’s not going to happen. KAT or Rudy will probably be traded next summer - unless the two really click together and the Wolves make the NBA finals (or at least the Western Conference finals).

I think Portland will end up trading Scoot this summer for someone, but it won’t be for Green or KAT. I’ve already called Portland’s front office and offered Rudy Gobert. They said they’d get back to me. Oddly, they’ve never contacted me in the 4 weeks since my call.
But what is so special about Scoot?
Scoot’s probably Portland’s most valuable asset to get a good vet in return to pair with Lillard. I’m not totally sold on Scoot. His G-League numbers were good but not eye-popping. His 27.5% three-point shooting is a read flag. His 2.9 foul shots per game is also a troublesome stat for someone as athletic as Scoot. I’ve watched video of him and can see why he’s highly rated. But like any pick other than Wemby, he’s not a sure thing.
I also don't see defense, or true pg playmaking. I see the build and highlight finishes. Not much else.
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TheFuture wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:43 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:40 pm
TheFuture wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:37 pm

But what is so special about Scoot?
Scoot’s probably Portland’s most valuable asset to get a good vet in return to pair with Lillard. I’m not totally sold on Scoot. His G-League numbers were good but not eye-popping. His 27.5% three-point shooting is a read flag. His 2.9 foul shots per game is also a troublesome stat for someone as athletic as Scoot. I’ve watched video of him and can see why he’s highly rated. But like any pick other than Wemby, he’s not a sure thing.
I also don't see defense, or true pg playmaking. I see the build and highlight finishes. Not much else.

I haven't seen enough to have a legit opinion. But I've read/heard a few things about Henderson that make me think he's gonna be pretty damn good.

I keep seeing favorable comparisons with D. Rose, R. Westbrook and J. Morant. He's that kind of athlete, only with possibly more of a nuanced game in some ways. Some people, including Sam Vecenie from The Athletic, think his shot mechanics are good, which indicates potential improvement on three pointers.

And maybe it's already happening?

He shot 22% on three pointers his first season in the G League.
He shot 32% in his second season.

The other angle that seems to offer hope... there are words like "alpha dog" and "competes" and "competitive" and "drive"... in most draft analysis about him.



[Note: D. Rose, R. Westbrook, J. Morant... each has had moments of brilliance, along with criticisms in the NBA. The key is that they are all-world explosive players and Henderson is supposed to be in their class. The rub is all the other stuff, the mind stuff that separates the good from the great from the very best. And let's be honest, we have no idea with these guys. But... an explosive and skilled athlete who thus far has shown a willingness to work and compete... cool. Sign me up.]
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TheFuture wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:43 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:40 pm
TheFuture wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:37 pm

But what is so special about Scoot?
Scoot’s probably Portland’s most valuable asset to get a good vet in return to pair with Lillard. I’m not totally sold on Scoot. His G-League numbers were good but not eye-popping. His 27.5% three-point shooting is a read flag. His 2.9 foul shots per game is also a troublesome stat for someone as athletic as Scoot. I’ve watched video of him and can see why he’s highly rated. But like any pick other than Wemby, he’s not a sure thing.
I also don't see defense, or true pg playmaking. I see the build and highlight finishes. Not much else.
I could very well be proven wrong on this one, future, but I'm with you. Scoot's poor 3-point shooting, propensity to turn the ball over, and indifferent defense make him far from a sure thing in my book. I saw this as a 2-person draft, with Scoot lumped in a second tier with several other potential stars. He does have a terrific ability to get to the rim, so there's that. He also is quite charismatic, and is likely to be a very popular with the media. I suspect this last element has a lot to do with scouts overlooking his deficiencies to anoint him as a future star.
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