Ben Simmons Talk Revived

[Monster]

I listened to the podcast that was referenced. I didn't really think anything was too significant considered what has been discussed on this board. Jon basically confirmed the Sixers are in a bad spot and the Wolves are in a better one than a few weeks ago.

[Monster]

A couple considerations on players that could be traded.

1. McDaniels I don't want to trade him but if he is considered more valuable than a 1st round pick then that makes me more cool with trading him. If he is closer to Robert Covington Trade value than a protected 1st than ok that's ok if it helps get Simmons here.

2. I don't want to get too excited here but if Finch is right that teams are interested in Bolmoro and he can be used as an asset now I'm cool with doing that as well.

3. If Beasley is considered a legit asset I say deal him. He isn't proven and also has some other issues including some injuries the past couple of years and his lack of playing defense. I'm not saying ship the guy out but you may see a theme here why not cash in on some assets that have increased over when they were acquired. We go have Nowell who is unproven but had made some sort of progression towards being a contributor. It's not like we don't have anyone that has a chance to be that type of guy at least.

4. If Russell really would be an asset in a deal for Simmons yes I would be willing to deal him. If I thought he was gonna be healthy then that would give me more pause because ai do believe he is quite talented. Simmons injury history bothers me too so dealing one guy with some injury concerns for another one makes me feel good about it. I still think Morey probably wouldn't mind acquiring Russell but I can see him not valuing him enough for Rosas to include him in a deal. Again Russell is a guy I don't exactly want to trade but if he is seen as a legit asset then I'm totally cool with it.

Rosas knows if he wants Simmons he is going to have to give something up. What is the most he would be willing to give up and who is actually off limits? Idk but I think he has done pretty well this offseason. Dealing Rubio when he did looks even better now and Prince is about to be eligible to be included in a trade with other players.

[KiwiMatt]

I've been thinking about ways we could include a third team and not have to give up both Jaden McDaniels and multiple 1st round picks whilst also keeping DLO. Detroit came to mind as a team who would listen to offers involving future 1st to help facilitate a deal involving Ben Simmons. They also have Jerami Grant who could appeal to PHI as a decent point forward replacement for Simmons.

MIN receive: Ben Simmons & Paul Reed from PHI

PHI receive: Jerami Grant from DET, Malik Beasley, 2022 1st round pick (unprotected), 2023 2nd round pick (PHI) and 2023 1st round pick swap from MIN

DET receives: Taurean Prince, Josh Okogie, Jake Layman, 2024 1st round pick (Top 10 protection) and rights to Leandro Bolmaro from MIN

Russell / McLaughlin / Wright (2 way)
Edwards / Beverley / Nowell
McDaniels / Reed / Vet min
Simmons / Vanderbilt / Knight
Towns / Reid / Vet min

Thoughts?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Kiwi, I tend to think Jerami Grant might be able to fetch more than Leandro Bolmaro and a first-round pick on the trade market, but it's not a bad idea. I can definitely see where you're going with it and Grant would be a win-now player for Philadelphia. The overall framework and value seems fine as well.

I think Philadelphia would rather get back some kind of lead guard type if they decide not to just hold on to the assets they'd get from Minnesota directly. That's why I've mentioned names like Malcolm Brogdon, Dejounte Murray, and Terry Rozier in the past as possible three-team trade ideas. Rozier is off the table because of his new deal, but Brogdon and Murray could be gettable. Fred VanVleet or Goran Dragic might be a possibility as well. Could Eric Bledsoe be on the move again? Those are thoughts I've had lately. I still think there's a stronger chance that the Sixers just hold on to the assets, roll with what they'd have, and then throw the kitchen sink at Portland and Washington for their respective stars later on. That is the only outcome here that raises the Sixers ceiling.

[Coolbreeze44]

Kiwi, I tend to think Jerami Grant might be able to fetch more than Leandro Bolmaro and a first-round pick on the trade market, but it's not a bad idea. I can definitely see where you're going with it and Grant would be a win-now player for Philadelphia. The overall framework and value seems fine as well.

I think Philadelphia would rather get back some kind of lead guard type if they decide not to just hold on to the assets they'd get from Minnesota directly. That's why I've mentioned names like Malcolm Brogdon, Dejounte Murray, and Terry Rozier in the past as possible three-team trade ideas. Rozier is off the table because of his new deal, but Brogdon and Murray could be gettable. Fred VanVleet or Goran Dragic might be a possibility as well. Could Eric Bledsoe be on the move again? Those are thoughts I've had lately. I still think there's a stronger chance that the Sixers just hold on to the assets, roll with what they'd have, and then throw the kitchen sink at Portland and Washington for their respective stars later on. That is the only outcome here that raises the Sixers ceiling.

I think Dragic is going to land in Dallas.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Kiwi, I tend to think Jerami Grant might be able to fetch more than Leandro Bolmaro and a first-round pick on the trade market, but it's not a bad idea. I can definitely see where you're going with it and Grant would be a win-now player for Philadelphia. The overall framework and value seems fine as well.

I think Philadelphia would rather get back some kind of lead guard type if they decide not to just hold on to the assets they'd get from Minnesota directly. That's why I've mentioned names like Malcolm Brogdon, Dejounte Murray, and Terry Rozier in the past as possible three-team trade ideas. Rozier is off the table because of his new deal, but Brogdon and Murray could be gettable. Fred VanVleet or Goran Dragic might be a possibility as well. Could Eric Bledsoe be on the move again? Those are thoughts I've had lately. I still think there's a stronger chance that the Sixers just hold on to the assets, roll with what they'd have, and then throw the kitchen sink at Portland and Washington for their respective stars later on. That is the only outcome here that raises the Sixers ceiling.

I think Dragic is going to land in Dallas.

Wasn't that expected as far back as the day he was traded to Toronto?

[KG4Ever]

Out of Site: Episode 56 on what a Ben Simmons trade to the Timberwolves would look like
https://www.libertyballers.com/2021/9/7/22660957/sixers-podcast-ben-simmons-trade-to-minnesota-framework

This was an interesting podcast discussing Ben Simmons potential fit with Minnesota and what a trade to Minnesota might look like from the perspective of Philly bloggers. I listened to whole podcast, but they don't really discuss any trade proposals until just before the 27 minute mark, so you might want to jump ahead if that's all you want to hear.

[FNG]

Out of Site: Episode 56 on what a Ben Simmons trade to the Timberwolves would look like
https://www.libertyballers.com/2021/9/7/22660957/sixers-podcast-ben-simmons-trade-to-minnesota-framework

This was an interesting podcast discussing Ben Simmons potential fit with Minnesota and what a trade to Minnesota might look like from the perspective of Philly bloggers. I listened to whole podcast, but they don't really discuss any trade proposals until just before the 27 minute mark, so you might want to jump ahead if that's all you want to hear.

Thanks for this, KG. These guys echo what I've heard from two friends who are rabid 76er fans, and what I see on message boards. Morey is going to have to sell any Simmons deal to his fan base, so sentiment has some relevance.

They both "like" Dlo, but they also have a lot of criticism. It was interesting to hear them talk about how Simmons shuts him down on defense. The best thing they could say about Dlo is that he fits the Embiid timeline. Not much there. I get more convinced every day that Rosas values Dlo way more than the Philly fan base does.

I won't say they are more excited about a Beasley-centered deal, but at least they are more accepting. They like Malik's shooting, but they recognize his limitations and are clearly (like us) trying to get comfortable with his criminal activity...lots of dancing around the topic and rationalizing. They like Jaden a lot, and liken him to a Robert Covington (who is still very popular in Philly...they love 3&D guys). And then they're saying the Wolves would have to throw in either Beverley or Prince plus picks, so a deal couldn't happen until October. They are excited about the picks because they seem to assume the Wolves will continue to struggle (I disagree...I think a good Simmons deal propels the Wolves into a top 4 Western Conference team). Cam thinks Prince is the likely guy to go, but I think it would be Beverley for two reasons. I don't know that Philly would want to go into next season with a Milton/Maxey tandem at PG. And I think Prince might be the de facto starter for us at SF if Haden goes. Again, I don't want to lose Jaden, but if it's the price to bring in Simmons, c'est la vie.

[Lipoli390]

FNG - Morey is an analytics guy and let's just say he has a LOT of confidence in himself. So I don't think he'll factor in fan sentiments. He's out to get the best deal possible to propel the Sixers to a championship during the Embiid era. He knows that, if DLO is healthy, he's much better than Beverley and a much better fit for the Sixers than either Beverley or Beasley. DLO is the only Wolves player who would actually fill the Sixers' need for a more offensive oriented lead guard to pair with Embiid and Harris. And if he's healthy, he'd good enough to help the Sixers remain in contention this upcoming season.

So I don't think fan sentiment will impact his interest in DLO. We don't know how interested Morey is in DLO. We've heard that Morey was irritated by Gersson's refusal to put DLO on the table for a possible deal. If true, that report tells us something. I think Morey would settle for a Wolves package that included DLO, McDaniels and several future 1st-round picks. I think he'd prefer that over Beasley, Beverley, McDaniels and several future firsts.

[Monster]

Kiwi, I tend to think Jerami Grant might be able to fetch more than Leandro Bolmaro and a first-round pick on the trade market, but it's not a bad idea. I can definitely see where you're going with it and Grant would be a win-now player for Philadelphia. The overall framework and value seems fine as well.

I think Philadelphia would rather get back some kind of lead guard type if they decide not to just hold on to the assets they'd get from Minnesota directly. That's why I've mentioned names like Malcolm Brogdon, Dejounte Murray, and Terry Rozier in the past as possible three-team trade ideas. Rozier is off the table because of his new deal, but Brogdon and Murray could be gettable. Fred VanVleet or Goran Dragic might be a possibility as well. Could Eric Bledsoe be on the move again? Those are thoughts I've had lately. I still think there's a stronger chance that the Sixers just hold on to the assets, roll with what they'd have, and then throw the kitchen sink at Portland and Washington for their respective stars later on. That is the only outcome here that raises the Sixers ceiling.

I think Dragic is going to land in Dallas.

Wasn't that expected as far back as the day he was traded to Toronto?

The last I read that was still likely to happen but Toronto was still trying to get Dallas to give them something of value to make it happen. Dragic and Dallas wants to simply have Dragic do a buy out. Also I think Toronto would like Dragic to actually play for them but we will see it sounds like Dragic really wants to go to Dallas.