Duke13 wrote:I thinks it's safe to assume the wolves would listen to offers for DLO Interesting Brogdon seems to be the target for teams looking to improve the PG position, ie NYK and Washington.
Sure the Pacers are in a different position then the wolves (full rebuild) looking to acquire draft assets, but I think it Brogdon is likely viewed as the better player around the league , which I believe he is.
Brogdon being signed for 3 more seasons at a flat salary is also a pretty big factor.
Duke13 wrote:I thinks it's safe to assume the wolves would listen to offers for DLO Interesting Brogdon seems to be the target for teams looking to improve the PG position, ie NYK and Washington.
Sure the Pacers are in a different position then the wolves (full rebuild) looking to acquire draft assets, but I think it Brogdon is likely viewed as the better player around the league , which I believe he is.
Brogdon being signed for 3 more seasons at a flat salary is also a pretty big factor.
Returning to the discussion of trading DLO, I have a few thoughts:
If we believe the reporting, which I think is probably reliable, it seems clear that (other than Brunson) Brogdon is the PG being targeted by teams that want and need a win-now PG. It's being reported that at least two teams, the Wizards and Knicks, are pursuing Brogdon. So yes, he seems to have more value than DLO in the trade market. But let's remember that there are at least two teams pursuing a win-now PG and probably more teams like the Clippers who are also in th market for one. Yet, there's only one Brogdon. If moment Brogdon gets dealt, DLO's value will go up -- simply supply and demand. I'm not sure Brogdon is a better PG than DLO. From one vantage point, Brogdon has a better contract. But from another vantage point, DLO's contract offers more value because it's expiring. One way or another, at some point, the Wolves will be in a position to get good value in return for DLO this summer. Whether what other teams are willing to give up for DLO will be enough to justify trading him is another question.
Other teams currently known to be aggressively searching for point guards are the New York Knicks and Washington Wizards, while the Minnesota Timberwolves have actively explored the market for D'Angelo Russell trade scenarios, sources told B/R. - via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report
Saw this report this morning. Nothing new here, but it's a reminder that the Wolves might end up trading DLO this summer - perhaps before the end of today. I wouldn't bet on it happening, but it's probably something the Wolves front office folks are discussing amongst themselves and with some other teams. I think the odds if a DLO deal go up the moment Brogdon is traded. There are at least three teams looking for a quality starting PG to help them win now: the Knicks, the Wizards and the Clippers. I'm sure they'd all love to have Brunson, but they have to know the chances of getting him are slim to none and slim's or of town.
Based on reports, it would seem that the Wizards and Knicks have Brodgon as their top choice. Once he's off the table, DLO instantly becomes the next best veteran PG who is still young and apparently available. I've read Doogie's report that the Wizards aren't interested in DLO. I don't believe that for a moment and I'd say that even if it came from someone other than Doogie. :)
I still don't think the Wolves will end up trading DLO this summer. But if Brogdon gets dealt, then I think there's a realistic chance that it happens.
lipoli390 wrote:Other teams currently known to be aggressively searching for point guards are the New York Knicks and Washington Wizards, while the Minnesota Timberwolves have actively explored the market for D'Angelo Russell trade scenarios, sources told B/R. - via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report
Saw this report this morning. Nothing new here, but it's a reminder that the Wolves might end up trading DLO this summer - perhaps before the end of today. I wouldn't bet on it happening, but it's probably something the Wolves front office folks are discussing amongst themselves and with some other teams. I think the odds if a DLO deal go up the moment Brogdon is traded. There are at least three teams looking for a quality starting PG to help them win now: the Knicks, the Wizards and the Clippers. I'm sure they'd all love to have Brunson, but they have to know the chances of getting him are slim to none and slim's or of town.
Based on reports, it would seem that the Wizards and Knicks have Brodgon as their top choice. Once he's off the table, DLO instantly becomes the next best veteran PG who is still young and apparently available. I've read Doogie's report that the Wizards aren't interested in DLO. I don't believe that for a moment and I'd say that even if it came from someone other than Doogie. :)
I still don't think the Wolves will end up trading DLO this summer. But if Brogdon gets dealt, then I think there's a realistic chance that it happens.
Dane Moore and Doogie seem to confirm that DLO is being shopped and that Stein and O'Conner weren't merely speculating. Shopped doesn't mean getting traded, but Dane Moore thinks he is more likely to get moved than return.
Not sure what the term "shopped" means in this context. But I've always expected the Wolves office to discuss the possibility of trading DLO this summer. I don't think they'd be doing their job if they didn't. What Doogie writes is background noise to me. But Dane often has some good takes and Stein is pretty reliable. So no doubt conversations between the Wolves and other teams regarding DLO have been happening. I still don't think DLO will be traded this summer. As you noted, shopping someone doesn't necessarily mean trading him. But I do think the market for DLO heats up once Brogdon is traded.
I just don't see how the Timberwolves actually get better by trading D'Angelo Russell, but if this is a response to his camp's potentially irrational contract demands, then so be it. They can't afford to give him a max contract, and they shouldn't. Who knows what negotiations have taken place, if any. I have to wonder what the plan is in replacing him, though. There really aren't (m)any good options out there that you can acquire without expending some serious resources.
Camden wrote:I just don't see how the Timberwolves actually get better by trading D'Angelo Russell, but if this is a response to his camp's potentially irrational contract demands, then so be it. They can't afford to give him a max contract, and they shouldn't. Who knows what negotiations have taken place, though, if any. I have to wonder what the plan is in replacing him, though. There really aren't (m)any good options out there that you can acquire without expending some serious resources.
I generally agree with you, Cam. As you mentioned in the draft thread, there's a lot we don't know, which might include unreasonable contract expectations communicated by DLO's camp. Or maybe there's friction between DLO and Finchy, although I'd be surprised in that's the case. In any event, we just don't know how aggressively the Wolves are "shopping" DLO. I think Connelly is kicking the tires on just about everything except trading KAT or Ant. And that's as it should be. But like you, I can't envision a DLO deal that actually makes the Wolves better next season. Trading way up in the draft could potentially make the Wolves better in the long run, but I don't see a DLO deal that gets the Wolves high enough in the draft to make it worthwhile. It will be interesting to see what unfolds.
Camden wrote:I just don't see how the Timberwolves actually get better by trading D'Angelo Russell, but if this is a response to his camp's potentially irrational contract demands, then so be it. They can't afford to give him a max contract, and they shouldn't. Who knows what negotiations have taken place, though, if any. I have to wonder what the plan is in replacing him, though. There really aren't (m)any good options out there that you can acquire without expending some serious resources.
I generally agree with you, Cam. As you mentioned in the draft thread, there's a lot we don't know, which might include unreasonable contract expectations communicated by DLO's camp. Or maybe there's friction between DLO and Finchy, although I'd be surprised in that's the case. In any event, we just don't know how aggressively the Wolves are "shopping" DLO. I think Connelly is kicking the tires on just about everything except trading KAT or Ant. And that's as it should be. But like you, I can't envision a DLO deal that actually makes the Wolves better next season. Trading way up in the draft could potentially make the Wolves better in the long run, but I don't see a DLO deal that gets the Wolves high enough in the draft to make it worthwhile. It will be interesting to see what unfolds.
Certainly, DeJounte Murray fits the upgrade category. It also could be that a different type of point guard would fit better with KAT and Ant. Finally, building the Wolves into a contender isn't a one year project. It could be that the Wolves take a step back in order to take two steps forward. The West will be tougher anyway next year as Lillard, Kawhi and perhaps Zion make it back from injuries so even if Wolves keep DLO they may struggle to finish seventh.
Camden wrote:I just don't see how the Timberwolves actually get better by trading D'Angelo Russell, but if this is a response to his camp's potentially irrational contract demands, then so be it. They can't afford to give him a max contract, and they shouldn't. Who knows what negotiations have taken place, though, if any. I have to wonder what the plan is in replacing him, though. There really aren't (m)any good options out there that you can acquire without expending some serious resources.
I generally agree with you, Cam. As you mentioned in the draft thread, there's a lot we don't know, which might include unreasonable contract expectations communicated by DLO's camp. Or maybe there's friction between DLO and Finchy, although I'd be surprised in that's the case. In any event, we just don't know how aggressively the Wolves are "shopping" DLO. I think Connelly is kicking the tires on just about everything except trading KAT or Ant. And that's as it should be. But like you, I can't envision a DLO deal that actually makes the Wolves better next season. Trading way up in the draft could potentially make the Wolves better in the long run, but I don't see a DLO deal that gets the Wolves high enough in the draft to make it worthwhile. It will be interesting to see what unfolds.
Certainly, DeJounte Murray fits the upgrade category. It also could be that a different type of point guard would fit better with KAT and Ant. Finally, building the Wolves into a contender isn't a one year project. It could be that the Wolves take a step back in order to take two steps forward. The West will be tougher anyway next year as Lillard, Kawhi and perhaps Zion make it back from injuries so even if Wolves keep DLO they may struggle to finish seventh.
I agree that DeJounte would be an upgrade over DLO. No doubt about that. But whether the deal makes sense for the Wolves depends on how much we need to give up to get him. I suspect that the asking price will be too high. I wouldn't give up KAT, Ant, McDaniels or any future 1st-round picks for Murray. I'd be willing to give up our #19 pick, Naz and either DLO or Beasley. But i doubt that would get it done. So I'm out on any Murray deal. Connelly was right when he said there are no short cuts. I'd also be wary of doing any deal with the Spurs. They're very cagey and for all we know, they have info on Murray's surgically repaired knee that doesn't bode well long term.
Camden wrote:I just don't see how the Timberwolves actually get better by trading D'Angelo Russell, but if this is a response to his camp's potentially irrational contract demands, then so be it. They can't afford to give him a max contract, and they shouldn't. Who knows what negotiations have taken place, if any. I have to wonder what the plan is in replacing him, though. There really aren't (m)any good options out there that you can acquire without expending some serious resources.
I don't think we do get "better" next season, unless it's a Murray or Kyrie type trade.. . I think the hope would be that we're better the following year though.
