crazysauce wrote:The reason I like dealing Dlo is because if it came down to keeping Dlo on his max deal or Jaden on his rookie deal its a no brainer for me. I think it will be really difficult to put pieces around this core with Simmons Towns and Dlos contracts together.
For me it's really hard with dlo. I actually really want to like him, I loved him in college. He was a stud. But he was so bad last year. He really did play better when Finch took over. But it's so difficult cause that Ryan Saunders Dlo was just terrible. I think Kat and Ant can provide enough offense.
Simmons
Beasley
Edwards
Jaden
Kat
Or switching it to
Beverly
Edwards
Jaden
Simmons
Kat
Oh the possibilities.
I think your second lineup is more likely...I'm guessing Finch sees Simmons' best role as a playmaking PF and Jaden as a natural SF.
But as much as I love both these starting 5's, it's currently not likely for the reasons I said above:
Morey doesn't really want Dlo (understandable).
Rosas doesn't want to give Dlo up (malpractice).
And by the way, I agree with you...I liked Dlo both in college and in the final weeks of last season. I just don't know if it's sustainable.
I really like Crazy's second lineup here. Now that is a lineup that can actually help us become a middle of the road defense versus bottom 10. We'd now have three legit team defenders on the floor versus just two in almost any other scenario. I think the only vulnerability is PBev's health.
crazysauce wrote:The reason I like dealing Dlo is because if it came down to keeping Dlo on his max deal or Jaden on his rookie deal its a no brainer for me. I think it will be really difficult to put pieces around this core with Simmons Towns and Dlos contracts together.
For me it's really hard with dlo. I actually really want to like him, I loved him in college. He was a stud. But he was so bad last year. He really did play better when Finch took over. But it's so difficult cause that Ryan Saunders Dlo was just terrible. I think Kat and Ant can provide enough offense.
Simmons
Beasley
Edwards
Jaden
Kat
Or switching it to
Beverly
Edwards
Jaden
Simmons
Kat
Oh the possibilities.
I think your second lineup is more likely...I'm guessing Finch sees Simmons' best role as a playmaking PF and Jaden as a natural SF.
But as much as I love both these starting 5's, it's currently not likely for the reasons I said above:
Morey doesn't really want Dlo (understandable).
Rosas doesn't want to give Dlo up (malpractice).
And by the way, I agree with you...I liked Dlo both in college and in the final weeks of last season. I just don't know if it's sustainable.
I really like Crazy's second lineup here. Now that is a lineup that can actually help us become a middle of the road defense versus bottom 10. We'd now have three legit team defenders on the floor versus just two in almost any other scenario. I think the only vulnerability is PBev's health.
Me too, and I would argue that if everyone is healthy, Ant shows marginal improvement on D, and KAT defends the perimeter like he did last year, this might be better than a middle of the road defense. And don't forget we still have Okogie and Vando as defenders off the bench. I also like combining 4 guys who all shot above the league average in threes last year with a guy who's good at finding the open man.
lipoli390 wrote:FNG - Morey is an analytics guy and let's just say he has a LOT of confidence in himself. So I don't think he'll factor in fan sentiments. He's out to get the best deal possible to propel the Sixers to a championship during the Embiid era. He knows that, if DLO is healthy, he's much better than Beverley and a much better fit for the Sixers than either Beverley or Beasley. DLO is the only Wolves player who would actually fill the Sixers' need for a more offensive oriented lead guard to pair with Embiid and Harris. And if he's healthy, he'd good enough to help the Sixers remain in contention this upcoming season.
So I don't think fan sentiment will impact his interest in DLO. We don't know how interested Morey is in DLO. We've heard that Morey was irritated by Gersson's refusal to put DLO on the table for a possible deal. If true, that report tells us something. I think Morey would settle for a Wolves package that included DLO, McDaniels and several future 1st-round picks. I think he'd prefer that over Beasley, Beverley, McDaniels and several future firsts.
The rub is...
Isn't D'Angelo Russell sort of an anti-analytics player in some ways? He's certainly a different type of player than the guy who Morey hitched his wagon to in Houston previously.
Russell has taken 1,062 free throws in his career. (8.7 per game)
Harden has taken 800 or more in 5 different seasons. (3.7 per game)
He helped bring that out of Harden... so maybe he sees something in Russell... AND thinks he can reach him unlike others.
DLO for Simmons as the base trade makes sense for both teams. KAT is the best floor spacing big in the game, a guy like Simmons compliments him very well not to mention on defense, Simmons is excellent and can help elevate the interior and perimeter.
Then on the Sixers side Embiid is a great defender, he can make up for some subpar defense from DLO, then DLO is a great floor spacer compared to Simmons on offense.
I think this honestly is a win-win for both teams. I think if a trade happens this is it.
WolvesFan21 wrote:DLO for Simmons as the base trade makes sense for both teams. KAT is the best floor spacing big in the game, a guy like Simmons compliments him very well not to mention on defense, Simmons is excellent and can help elevate the interior and perimeter.
Then on the Sixers side Embiid is a great defender, he can make up for some subpar defense from DLO, then DLO is a great floor spacer compared to Simmons on offense.
I think this honestly is a win-win for both teams. I think if a trade happens this is it.
I don't think there is anyone here who wouldn't be happy with a swap of those two max salary players. But I also suspect that most Philly fans would mutiny if Dlo was their return...even though they hate Simmons right now! Even though there is a report out there that Morey was pissed that Rosas wouldn't put Russell on the table, we also know he is an analytics guy...and as Abe mentioned, Dlo is not an analytics darling. On paper he comes across as a inefficient scorer who can't defend...not at all what a guy like Morey is looking for.
If Dlo ends up being the centerpiece of a Simmons deal, I'll eat my fair share of crow...and it'll taste just find. But I think we have to come to terms with the fact that the asking price right now is Ant, and even down the road it won't be less than a Jaden/Beasley combo.
lipoli390 wrote:FNG - Morey is an analytics guy and let's just say he has a LOT of confidence in himself. So I don't think he'll factor in fan sentiments. He's out to get the best deal possible to propel the Sixers to a championship during the Embiid era. He knows that, if DLO is healthy, he's much better than Beverley and a much better fit for the Sixers than either Beverley or Beasley. DLO is the only Wolves player who would actually fill the Sixers' need for a more offensive oriented lead guard to pair with Embiid and Harris. And if he's healthy, he'd good enough to help the Sixers remain in contention this upcoming season.
So I don't think fan sentiment will impact his interest in DLO. We don't know how interested Morey is in DLO. We've heard that Morey was irritated by Gersson's refusal to put DLO on the table for a possible deal. If true, that report tells us something. I think Morey would settle for a Wolves package that included DLO, McDaniels and several future 1st-round picks. I think he'd prefer that over Beasley, Beverley, McDaniels and several future firsts.
The rub is...
Isn't D'Angelo Russell sort of an anti-analytics player in some ways? He's certainly a different type of player than the guy who Morey hitched his wagon to in Houston previously.
Russell has taken 1,062 free throws in his career. (8.7 per game)
Harden has taken 800 or more in 5 different seasons. (3.7 per game)
He helped bring that out of Harden... so maybe he sees something in Russell... AND thinks he can reach him unlike others.
Morey is hitching his wagon to Embiid for starters. As Wolvesfan mentioned, having him on the backline definitely helps with DLO's defensive deficiencies. DLO played the most minutes on a 14th-ranked defensive unit in Brooklyn a couple years ago with Jarrett Allen to help anchor the paint, so we know that it's possible for him to be on a solid defensive team.
I also think Thybulle is an absolute monster defensively and will probably see even more floor time with Simmons gone. With all due respect to McDaniels and Vando, the Embiid/Thybulle pairing is by far better defensively than anything Minnesota has on its current roster to go along with DLO.
Bottom-line....The Sixers could really use a perimeter ball handler and confident shot maker whose defensive deficiencies can be largely masked by the rest of the roster. DLO fits that profile.
I agree with some of the others....DLO for Simmons is a win/win.
lipoli390 wrote:FNG - Morey is an analytics guy and let's just say he has a LOT of confidence in himself. So I don't think he'll factor in fan sentiments. He's out to get the best deal possible to propel the Sixers to a championship during the Embiid era. He knows that, if DLO is healthy, he's much better than Beverley and a much better fit for the Sixers than either Beverley or Beasley. DLO is the only Wolves player who would actually fill the Sixers' need for a more offensive oriented lead guard to pair with Embiid and Harris. And if he's healthy, he'd good enough to help the Sixers remain in contention this upcoming season.
So I don't think fan sentiment will impact his interest in DLO. We don't know how interested Morey is in DLO. We've heard that Morey was irritated by Gersson's refusal to put DLO on the table for a possible deal. If true, that report tells us something. I think Morey would settle for a Wolves package that included DLO, McDaniels and several future 1st-round picks. I think he'd prefer that over Beasley, Beverley, McDaniels and several future firsts.
The rub is...
Isn't D'Angelo Russell sort of an anti-analytics player in some ways? He's certainly a different type of player than the guy who Morey hitched his wagon to in Houston previously.
Russell has taken 1,062 free throws in his career. (8.7 per game)
Harden has taken 800 or more in 5 different seasons. (3.7 per game)
He helped bring that out of Harden... so maybe he sees something in Russell... AND thinks he can reach him unlike others.
Morey is hitching his wagon to Embiid for starters. As Wolvesfan mentioned, having him on the backline definitely helps with DLO's defensive deficiencies. DLO played the most minutes on a 14th-ranked defensive unit in Brooklyn a couple years ago with Jarrett Allen to help anchor the paint, so we know that it's possible for him to be on a solid defensive team.
I also think Thybulle is an absolute monster defensively and will probably see even more floor time with Simmons gone. With all due respect to McDaniels and Vando, the Embiid/Thybulle pairing is by far better defensively than anything Minnesota has on its current roster to go along with DLO.
Bottom-line....The Sixers could really use a perimeter ball handler and confident shot maker whose defensive deficiencies can be largely masked by the rest of the roster. DLO fits that profile.
I agree with some of the others....DLO for Simmons is a win/win.
I agree with this take. Even though we know Dlo is a bad defender the Nets proved you can have an above average defense when Dlo is out on the court. I do feel like it is sort of a win win
Meh. Ben Simmons is better than D'Angelo Russell individually, but the Wolves are significantly better having both of those two along with Karl-Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards than not. That should be the goal here. You trade a Malik Beasley and a Jaden McDaniels if you have to in order to make that happen. You trade future first-round picks. Obviously, as I've said most of this summer, I think Simmons can be had without emptying the cupboard for him. But you do those things to create that foursome. That team isn't as dangerous without Russell.
If Rosas pulls off the Beasley, McDaniels, Prince and picks package for Simmons I'll raise my hands and applaud.
Rosas would have turned 2 "assets" that he inherent in Covington and Gorgui into a 25 All NBA talent under 4 years of control. Massive props on to Rosas for that.
Camden0916 wrote:Meh. Ben Simmons is better than D'Angelo Russell individually, but the Wolves are significantly better having both of those two along with Karl-Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards than not. That should be the goal here. You trade a Malik Beasley and a Jaden McDaniels if you have to in order to make that happen. You trade future first-round picks. Obviously, as I've said most of this summer, I think Simmons can be had without emptying the cupboard for him. But you do those things to create that foursome. That team isn't as dangerous without Russell.
I'm torn on this. It's all about the improvement of Ant. If Dlo is traded Ant will be the only off the dribble scoring threat at the end of games. Sort it like Harris is for the 76ers now. The Wolves could fall into that same trap the 76ers currently do. Obviously Ant has a ton more upside as a scorer then Harris but it would be a lot on his shoulders in year 2. I agree that the Wolves are a lot more dangerous with Dlo still on the team with Simmons.
