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PorkChop wrote:

LloydBraun wrote:Way, WAY too much analysis and speculation here. Why don't we wait until June?

When your team has 8 wins there's very Lil else to talk about .. Can't have twenty threads about how good Wiggins has been.lol

LOL! Yeah, I contributed a couple of those threads. At least there is a game on tonight. I agree - we all need something to talk about. There just hasn't been much and that's the problem!

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

Camden wrote:Towns could be a better version of Favors/Horford. That's the thing.

The thing is he likely won't be as good as either of them. (and if he is it likely won't be until year 3 or later)

You realize this team doesn't have a deadline, right? Wiggins in year four, Towns in year three... Bazz and Dieng in year 5... With Rubio hitting the prime of his career. Yep, I'm good with that. I'll enjoy that potential title contender.

This is the point I was trying to make too. We are finally building pieces the right way and have a gem in Wiggins. Let's not rush it. If we landed a dominant big and in two or 3 years had 2 surefire all stars. We will have all the leverage to obtain FAs and make complimentary trades.

Agree 100%. We finally have something going, albeit still 2-3 years away from coming to contention, yet Wolves fans want to panic and go all in right now. If we suck for another year or two, who cares? We've dealt with it forever. Small market teams don't win by trading for players who will leave for a contract we can't afford, or cause us to lose the rest of our talent. We either have to draft extremely well and contend in our small window, and then if we can't keep someone we draft, we need to double down and trade them for picks/rookies that can help us continue to see success. MAYBE we trade for that piece, the final player, when we are on the cusp. But no way we should trade for a young veteran now when the pick we trade could churn out a player that we should've kept to put us over the top. Our franchise/fanbase can handle another bust of a draft pick, but we cant survive trading away a draft pick who blows up... that would be our franchise's suicide.

TheFuture wrote:
Agree 100%. We finally have something going, albeit still 2-3 years away from coming to contention, yet Wolves fans want to panic and go all in right now. If we suck for another year or two, who cares? We've dealt with it forever. Small market teams don't win by trading for players who will leave for a contract we can't afford, or cause us to lose the rest of our talent. We either have to draft extremely well and contend in our small window, and then if we can't keep someone we draft, we need to double down and trade them for picks/rookies that can help us continue to see success. MAYBE we trade for that piece, the final player, when we are on the cusp. But no way we should trade for a young veteran now when the pick we trade could churn out a player that we should've kept to put us over the top. Our franchise/fanbase can handle another bust of a draft pick, but we cant survive trading away a draft pick who blows up... that would be our franchise's suicide.

Not if we get a good player back and go to the playoffs. I think we get it. In a perfect, pipe dream world, we just keep adding young guys each of which develop into All Stars. Reality is much different (take a look at the Wolves draft History). Also, as I mentioned in the other thread, you generally get two years to turn things around before the Franchise goes another direction: Exhibits A, B, C, D, E, F, G:

A = B. Musselman (2 years)
B = J. Rodgers (1.5 years)
C = S. Lowe (1.5 years)
D = B. Blair (1.5 years)
E = D. Casey (1.5 years)
F = R. Wittman (1.5 years)
G = K. Rambis (2 years)

Of course, if anyone can pull it off, Flip could since he's GM and coach. But I don't think he can make it three years without losing his job if this team isn't in the playoffs. So, he does need to have some sense of urgency.

Master Summoner wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

Camden wrote:Towns could be a better version of Favors/Horford. That's the thing.

The thing is he likely won't be as good as either of them. (and if he is it likely won't be until year 3 or later)

You realize this team doesn't have a deadline, right? Wiggins in year four, Towns in year three... Bazz and Dieng in year 5... With Rubio hitting the prime of his career. Yep, I'm good with that. I'll enjoy that potential title contender.

This is the point I was trying to make too. We are finally building pieces the right way and have a gem in Wiggins. Let's not rush it. If we landed a dominant big and in two or 3 years had 2 surefire all stars. We will have all the leverage to obtain FAs and make complimentary trades.

Agree 100%. We finally have something going, albeit still 2-3 years away from coming to contention, yet Wolves fans want to panic and go all in right now. If we suck for another year or two, who cares? We've dealt with it forever. Small market teams don't win by trading for players who will leave for a contract we can't afford, or cause us to lose the rest of our talent. We either have to draft extremely well and contend in our small window, and then if we can't keep someone we draft, we need to double down and trade them for picks/rookies that can help us continue to see success. MAYBE we trade for that piece, the final player, when we are on the cusp. But no way we should trade for a young veteran now when the pick we trade could churn out a player that we should've kept to put us over the top. Our franchise/fanbase can handle another bust of a draft pick, but we cant survive trading away a draft pick who blows up... that would be our franchise's suicide.

I don't see how we make it through drafting a bust any better than trading away a diamond. There is little room for mistakes either way. I think we have the role players for a good team but lack the stars so we can't really miss and end up with more role players. 1 star just doesn't cut it any more. Lavine and Ricky have star potential (Ricky's is tied directly to his jump shot), but everything is going to have to go right for Lavine to hit that level and Ricky may never be an aggressive enough scorer to be considered an all-star.

Flip just handled the Kevin Love situation like an absolute champion. He's already got one draft class showing immediate results. This year his cast fell apart due to injuries, but he still has the rest of this year with Rubio to show his vision. Flip the GM won't get canned. He's done a great job as far as I'm concerned. I expect Flip the coach to get this core on its feet (three years or so) and then hand the torch to an innovative new mind while he plays Pat Riley and watches in a booth.

All I can say with 100% certainty is this: This asset that we hold is absolutely crucial to the potential success of this rebuild. For that reason some of these prospects scare the you know what out of me. If we could find the right deal that brings us a young asset who is already a sure thing, I'd have a hard time not jumping on it.

We take a guy who doesn't pan out like a Wes or DWill, we are totally screwed in terms of building something big here.

Camden0916 wrote:Flip just handled the Kevin Love situation like an absolute champion. He's already got one draft class showing immediate results. This year his cast fell apart due to injuries, but he still has the rest of this year with Rubio to show his vision. Flip the GM won't get canned. He's done a great job as far as I'm concerned. I expect Flip the coach to get this core on its feet (three years or so) and then hand the torch to an innovative new mind while he plays Pat Riley and watches in a booth.

I think the only mistake he made was giving a first for Young. Getting a young star in the making like Wiggins really covers up the smaller stuff. We have a great young piece to build around.

TRKO wrote:
I think the only mistake he made was giving a first for Young. Getting a young star in the making like Wiggins really covers up the smaller stuff. We have a great young piece to build around.

Depends on what you describe as mistakes:

[list]
[*] Budinger signing was a mistake
[*] Pekovic signing was a mistake (less money or years since we had the leverage)
[*] Shabazz pick could be considered a mistake because the Freak was selected after
[*] Not keeping the Heat pick
[/list]

All I would consider are mistakes. Even if they are hindsight mistakes.

I think he looks like a genius after Kahn. That really helps him a ton.

bleedspeed177 wrote:

TRKO wrote:
I think the only mistake he made was giving a first for Young. Getting a young star in the making like Wiggins really covers up the smaller stuff. We have a great young piece to build around.

Depends on what you describe as mistakes:

[list]
[*] Budinger signing was a mistake
[*] Pekovic signing was a mistake (less money or years since we had the leverage)
[*] Shabazz pick could be considered a mistake because the Freak was selected after
[*] Not keeping the Heat pick
[/list]

All I would consider are mistakes. Even if they are hindsight mistakes.

I think he looks like a genius after Kahn. That really helps him a ton.

I can agree with all of that. He hasn't made any huge killer mistakes. Not all your moves are going to be gold. We just have to nail this pick.

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

TRKO wrote:
I think the only mistake he made was giving a first for Young. Getting a young star in the making like Wiggins really covers up the smaller stuff. We have a great young piece to build around.

Depends on what you describe as mistakes:

[list]
[*] Budinger signing was a mistake
[*] Pekovic signing was a mistake (less money or years since we had the leverage)
[*] Shabazz pick could be considered a mistake because the Freak was selected after
[*] Not keeping the Heat pick
[/list]

All I would consider are mistakes. Even if they are hindsight mistakes.

I think he looks like a genius after Kahn. That really helps him a ton.

I can agree with all of that. He hasn't made any huge killer mistakes. Not all your moves are going to be gold. We just have to nail this pick.

I agree.