Ben Simmons Talk Revived

[Wolvesfan21]

If we're calling McDaniels a stud then what should we be calling Simmons at this point? It would hurt all of us to see a homegrown draft pick shipped out before realizing his potential but if it lands us a superior young player it has to be looked at. I really like McDaniels potential but I think it is a big stretch to assume he ever becomes the player that Simmons already is. I guess the only thing that really matters is what Morey values at this point to fit next to Embid. I personally would only stop short at dealing Kat and Ant. Other combinations of players would merit different negotiation tactics, for instance if Philly is insisting on Dlo and McDaniels I think we would need to lessen the draft capital and we would really be hurting for a PG. I am honestly skeptical that we have the pieces to even get Simmons, I do find it funny that so many of us are split on making a choice between DLo and McDaniels when the reality is that to realistically have a shot, I think we would need to include both of them if that is what Philly wanted. That may be more than some here want to give up, I think it would be challenging too but it would give us a net gain in terms of overall talent in my opinion.

What did Harden get in traded for? Butler? Etc. Guys that say they won't play or simply asking to be traded are going to go for pennies on the dollar. Not to mention many people think he is overvalued, based on his contract, his potentially fragile mentality, his unwillingness to shoot, etc. They say he is a project, that you can't win with him.

While there is some truth in there, I think it's highly overblown. I want him on our squad. While his deficiencies are concerning, he more then makes up for it being elite in everything else.

So I think Simmons will bring less then you are thinking. DLO and a first (maybe throw in another backup like Nowell) should be sufficient.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'm just gauging the crowd here. I'm also not asking if Philadelphia would or should take this offer, but would you be willing to trade Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, and four first-round picks for Ben Simmons? If that was the overall cost for Simmons -- regardless of a two-team or three-team trade -- are you in or are you out?

Depends on the protection of the picks, especially 2024 onwards. We don't want to do a 'Brooklyn' when they traded for KG.

Let's assume they're unprotected for the sake of simplicity.

Also, Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce were already in their late-30's when they were traded to Brooklyn. Ben Simmons being 25 with four years left on his deal makes that particular situation one that I don't foresee happening in any event.

[FNG]

I'm just gauging the crowd here. I'm also not asking if Philadelphia would or should take this offer, but would you be willing to trade Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, and four first-round picks for Ben Simmons? If that was the overall cost for Simmons -- regardless of a two-team or three-team trade -- are you in or are you out?

Can, I would be all in on that deal. I understand the value Beasley has...he's a great shooter. But a starting lineup of KAT, DLO, ant, jaden and Simmons would be extraordinary. And we'd still have Beverley, Vando, and josh on the bench as defensive stoppers plus nowell and naz. That's a 50+ win team for the next few years (until we have to break it up to pay ant), so the picks we would be getting back would be well into the 20s. Yes please.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'm just gauging the crowd here. I'm also not asking if Philadelphia would or should take this offer, but would you be willing to trade Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, and four first-round picks for Ben Simmons? If that was the overall cost for Simmons -- regardless of a two-team or three-team trade -- are you in or are you out?

Cam, I would be all in on that deal. I understand the value Beasley has...he's a great shooter. But a starting lineup of KAT, DLO, ant, jaden and Simmons would be extraordinary. And we'd still have Beverley, Vando, and josh on the bench as defensive stoppers plus nowell and naz. That's a 50+ win team for the next few years (until we have to break it up to pay ant), so the picks we would be getting back would be well into the 20s. Yes please.

FNG, this is something we can actually agree on. Again, I'm not certain the price will actually be that high for reasons I've outlined in the past, but I would sign off on it as well. Four first-round picks well into the future is no small deal, but how often does a 25-year old All-NBA player become available? How valuable will those first-round picks end up being, especially if they're in the 20's? Is Jaden McDaniels a young player worth holding on to even if it means paying more in draft picks? These are the follow-up questions that I think of when asking myself if I'm willing to pay that much.

[thedoper]

I'm just gauging the crowd here. I'm also not asking if Philadelphia would or should take this offer, but would you be willing to trade Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, and four first-round picks for Ben Simmons? If that was the overall cost for Simmons -- regardless of a two-team or three-team trade -- are you in or are you out?

The 3rd and 4th would have to be lottery protected. We'd be paying picks long after KAT and Simmons are gone. That's 8years of paying out picks, which is a lifetime the speed that the NBA moves at.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'm just gauging the crowd here. I'm also not asking if Philadelphia would or should take this offer, but would you be willing to trade Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, and four first-round picks for Ben Simmons? If that was the overall cost for Simmons -- regardless of a two-team or three-team trade -- are you in or are you out?

The 3rd and 4th would have to be lottery protected. We'd be paying picks long after KAT and Simmons are gone. That's 8years of paying out picks, which is a lifetime the speed that the NBA moves at.

That's a fair point. For the sake of my question and keeping it simple, I said they were unprotected picks. Would you be in or out, doper?

[kekgeek]

I saw people freaking out today because the Wolves had a team picture with the team, coaches, front offices and new owners Lore and Arod.

2 people not in the picture. Prince and ANT!!!!

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I saw people freaking out today because the Wolves had a team picture with the team, coaches, front offices and new owners Lore and Arod.

2 people not in the picture. Prince and ANT!!!!

Fake News Alert!!! Let me make one thing perfectly clear - there is NO way Rosas is trading Prince. End of story!

[Monster]

I'm just gauging the crowd here. I'm also not asking if Philadelphia would or should take this offer, but would you be willing to trade Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, and four first-round picks for Ben Simmons? If that was the overall cost for Simmons -- regardless of a two-team or three-team trade -- are you in or are you out?

This is a good question Cam. For me the first thing I need to know is what is ownership willing to do in terms of spending to make this team a winner. I'm not expecting them to spend everything but I need to be sure they aren't going to cheap out. I believe that's an aside from the basic question you are asking and I think either Glen or Lore and Arod are willing to be in the luxury tax to have a winning team.

In response to other people's responses you said these are all unprotected picks. I think I would have pause on giving up that many unprotected picks because as someone mentioned those picks end up going pretty far out into the future. I see the value of keeping the group together while adding Simmons but that is a lot to give up. Jon K did mention he thinks that the Wolves picks might be more valued around the league because...well it's the Wolves. Simmons is a good player and obviously most of us here know his flaws and strengths. Having said that I don't think I have seen Simmons play enough to say how I value him enough to give up that many unprotected picks. Give me more time to watch some games of Simmons keeping my eye on him then I may feel one way or another. I think you understand I won't be taking the time to do so.

Having said that only giving up Beasley and keeping everyone else would be pretty tempting. I do think Simmons Towns Edwards and Russell would be amazing and I can see them being able to all play together but...those are all guys that should be utilized having the ball while they are on the court so I think there could be some challenges there.

That's probably more than you asked for this simple question. I guess the short answer it's probably not but I'm also not outright dismissing it.

[FNG]

I hear Doper's point, but I think a POBO's job changes when his team is a 50-win team instead of a 23-win team. All of a sudden you're a contender, and vets looking for a championship will want to come to Minneapolis for cheap. We don't know what is going to happen when it comes time to pay Ant and Jaden. We'll already have three max players, and we would like to think that Ant would be a 4th and Jaden will at least command a mid-range contract. We don't know, but perhaps Lore/ARod may be agreeable to venturing into lux tax land occasionally, but being a repeat offender is so punitive something will have to happen 4-5 years down the line. Unless one of our current max players is willing to take a home team discount, you have to assume we'll only be able to keep 3 of the 5. And if the two we decide to trade are high performers, there's a good chance we will get back first round picks in a trade. So I'm having a difficult time getting too concerned about giving up 4 picks if it means we can keep all our starters and add Simmons. By all means, ask for protection on the picks, but don't make it a deal breaker if Morey gives you the big pie in the face.

Man, it's fun to think about Minneapolis becoming a destination city for free agents, but 50+ wins and new glitzy ownership makes it a strong possibility. And everything becomes different then.