It's time to move on from DLO....

[Lipoli390]

I'm moving to a point where I think Dlo has to be traded this summer... not like Wiggins had to be traded, ie dumped. I love Dlo almost as much as Cam, but for his own good and the good of the team, he can't be asked to play out his expiring contract. It's too fraught.

But looking at the Knicks - Fournier and Noel works, but that's 3 years of Fournier (could be flippable next year, though... still a valuable player on a not altogether terrible contract) and 2 years of Noel, total of $25 million/yr for 2 years, $8 million in the 3rd if both play out their contracts. I guess I'd do that.

Pacers -- Myles Turner/TJ McConnell works, but I don't know what they might want to do if they move Brogdon.

But my fav deal is probably trade expirings with Cleveland -- Kevin Love for Dlo.

I'd consider doing the DLO for Love deal if I was sure we could sign Tyus as a free agent.

Agreed I would consider this deal/scenario as well. FWIW Love and The Cavs seem to mutually like having each other around. They are still pretty loaded in the front court but I don't really think the Cavs would do this deal.

Need a third team. Bring in the Knicks:

Wolves get Love
Knicks get DLO
Cavs get Rose & Fournier (frees up lots of cap room next summer)

[Monster]

I'm moving to a point where I think Dlo has to be traded this summer... not like Wiggins had to be traded, ie dumped. I love Dlo almost as much as Cam, but for his own good and the good of the team, he can't be asked to play out his expiring contract. It's too fraught.

But looking at the Knicks - Fournier and Noel works, but that's 3 years of Fournier (could be flippable next year, though... still a valuable player on a not altogether terrible contract) and 2 years of Noel, total of $25 million/yr for 2 years, $8 million in the 3rd if both play out their contracts. I guess I'd do that.

Pacers -- Myles Turner/TJ McConnell works, but I don't know what they might want to do if they move Brogdon.

But my fav deal is probably trade expirings with Cleveland -- Kevin Love for Dlo.

I'd consider doing the DLO for Love deal if I was sure we could sign Tyus as a free agent.

Agreed I would consider this deal/scenario as well. FWIW Love and The Cavs seem to mutually like having each other around. They are still pretty loaded in the front court but I don't really think the Cavs would do this deal.

Need a third team. Bring in the Knicks:

Wolves get Love
Knicks get DLO
Cavs get Rose & Fournier (frees up lots of cap room next summer)

I personally don't think the Cavs would want Fournier. I think they would rather just keep Love.

-Adding this from the previous post I edited after you replied.

It's worth noting that while Memphis drafted Chandler they did also trade away combo guard Melton* to the Sixers for a 1st they used to select Roddy. So at this point they only have 2 ball handling guards on the roster unless I'm missing someone. They might still be willing to pay to keep Tyus around if Memphis was trying to replace Tyus it might mean they know they have little chance of keeping him because of what he will be offered in terms of salary or a starting opportunity or both.

The Grizzlies did a pretty good piece of work with that deal they did with the Suns a few years ago getting Melton, Josh Jackson and a couple 2nd round picks for Javon Carter and Korver. They may have used one of those 2nd to move up to pick one of their solid players in the draft and now trading Melton for a 1st round pick and taking on Danny green seems like a pretty good deal. For the Sixers they did get a solid player in Melton that just turned 24.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

The Wolves might sign a lesser big at the vet minimum or using the BAE. But there's also a roster issue. After signing three of the four picks from last night, the Wolves will have only one open roster spot even after releasing Okogie and Layman. If they bring back Prince, they'll have no open roster spots for any free agent. If they trade DLO, they'll need to use their MLE to sign a new PG unless they swap him for another starting PG. It's a far different picture now than it was before the draft when it comes to free agent strategies.

Lip, the Wolves only have 11 salaries guaranteed for next year and two (2) two-way spots to play with. We assume they'll sign their two first-round picks, Walker Kessler and Wendell Moore Jr. That leaves Minnesota with two roster spots available and two (2) two-way spots.

We'll assume the organization keeps McKinley Wright IV around for another year on a two-way deal, although he's not a lock for that spot considering this is a different front office than the one who originally plucked Wright IV.

I would guess that the Wolves will sign their second-round pick Josh Minott to their other two-way spot as he needs a significant amount of developmental minutes in the G-League.

So, we're probably looking at two roster spots still up for grabs. The Wolves need to determine the future of Taurean Prince as well as whether or not they need to sign a veteran big body. I suppose they could also look at point guards in free agency, but they currently roster three at this time.

[Lipoli390]

1. DLO
2. Ant
3. McDaniels
4. Vando
5. KAT
6. Pay Bev
7. Beasley
8. Nowell
9. Bolmaro
10. Naz
11. JMac
12. Kessler
13. Moore
14. Minott

Only one roster spot left unless they release one of those guys or don't` sign one of their picks.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

I hi

If they were in deep on Murray, I have to believe DLO was a part of the deal. But the problem is DLO doesn't really factor in to what the asking price is. Sure, the Spurs would take him. He only has one year left on his deal and his salary coming off the books would be a good thing. But it's not like the Wolves could say we're giving you DLO, so that means less picks and futures. No, it really doesn't change anything. At this point the head idiot remains Rosas, and he is the most recent and likely last GM who will give up anything of real value for DLO.

And can we stop with the nonsense that DLO had a great season? I don't know if this is said to try and placate Camden, but it's bullshit and not true. He had a couple of very good months after the all-star break, but nothing about his season was great. It's like saying Trenton Hassell was a great basketball player. Just stop already.

Hahahahaha I had to actually stop and double check that this wasn't my post from earlier :) I understand why Finch and TC are talking him up (trade value), but I'll never understand why this board does it. I've been watching basketball for 35 years and Dlo makes some of the dumbest plays I've ever seen. Ill advised shots, followed by horrendous passes, followed by bull fighter defense, and then my favorite is when he chews out a teammate for their mistake, when his was way worse lol. Sure he gets hot and can win a game on his own every few weeks, but that's not what we want from our starting PG and supposed third option. I honestly don't want the guy back under any circumstance. I wouldn't even offer him a 4/40 contract, because I think even that money could be better spent elsewhere. I do think that there's a couple more teams out there willing to give him a one year try and then have his bird rights if he fits.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

I'm moving to a point where I think Dlo has to be traded this summer... not like Wiggins had to be traded, ie dumped. I love Dlo almost as much as Cam, but for his own good and the good of the team, he can't be asked to play out his expiring contract. It's too fraught.

But looking at the Knicks - Fournier and Noel works, but that's 3 years of Fournier (could be flippable next year, though... still a valuable player on a not altogether terrible contract) and 2 years of Noel, total of $25 million/yr for 2 years, $8 million in the 3rd if both play out their contracts. I guess I'd do that.

Pacers -- Myles Turner/TJ McConnell works, but I don't know what they might want to do if they move Brogdon.

But my fav deal is probably trade expirings with Cleveland -- Kevin Love for Dlo.

I think these are all realistic. I'd love the last two and like the first one also

[FNG]

I hi

If they were in deep on Murray, I have to believe DLO was a part of the deal. But the problem is DLO doesn't really factor in to what the asking price is. Sure, the Spurs would take him. He only has one year left on his deal and his salary coming off the books would be a good thing. But it's not like the Wolves could say we're giving you DLO, so that means less picks and futures. No, it really doesn't change anything. At this point the head idiot remains Rosas, and he is the most recent and likely last GM who will give up anything of real value for DLO.

And can we stop with the nonsense that DLO had a great season? I don't know if this is said to try and placate Camden, but it's bullshit and not true. He had a couple of very good months after the all-star break, but nothing about his season was great. It's like saying Trenton Hassell was a great basketball player. Just stop already.

Hahahahaha I had to actually stop and double check that this wasn't my post from earlier :) I understand why Finch and TC are talking him up (trade value), but I'll never understand why this board does it. I've been watching basketball for 35 years and Dlo makes some of the dumbest plays I've ever seen. Ill advised shots, followed by horrendous passes, followed by bull fighter defense, and then my favorite is when he chews out a teammate for their mistake, when his was way worse lol. Sure he gets hot and can win a game on his own every few weeks, but that's not what we want from our starting PG and supposed third option. I honestly don't want the guy back under any circumstance. I wouldn't even offer him a 4/40 contract, because I think even that money could be better spent elsewhere. I do think that there's a couple more teams out there willing to give him a one year try and then have his bird rights if he fits.

Well, obviously I agree that we overvalue DLo here and exaggerate anytime we say he had a great season. He had a good season...by his historical standards. And I have to admit he passes the "eye test" when he shows off some of his skills...superb ballhandling and much improved pocket passing. He's fun to watch at times. But we are guilty of extreme homerism and stat-ignoring if we label his season anything more than average for a starting PG. Go to basketball.reference.com and employ the "compare DLo to..." function with other PGs that we would all agree had great seasons, and the stats will show him falling short in most significant statistical measures. Heck, he falls far short statistically of some backup PGs, like our hometown boy Tyus. So we have to be realistic that NBA GMs are as adept at digging into advanced stats as we are, and that may significantly reduce the value of what we will get back. That is why I question Dane Moore's comment that his sources tell him DLo will be moved before the first week in July ends.

That said, DLo does seem to have a certain "star quality" that some other arguably more effective PGs lack. While it's not difficult to conclude that statistically Tyus was superior to DLo last season, it's also easy to conclude that a player like DLo is almost always more fun to watch...and is going to generally put more butts in the seats. And ultimately the NBA is a business, and you need to sell your product. That's our best opportunity to get something valuable back for Russell- to find a GM who, similar to Rosas, sees DLo as a guy that can attract fans.

But ultimately I'm with the majority here. Move DLo if we can get something in return that clearly makes us better and provides better fit next to our 2 stars (and I think we can), or let him play out his final season here...he's not going to hurt us, he's just not the guy to maximize the value of KAT and Ant. And good God, do not extend him to a contract that his performance just doesn't warrant. I'm eager to see what happens in the next two weeks.

[Monster]

I hi

If they were in deep on Murray, I have to believe DLO was a part of the deal. But the problem is DLO doesn't really factor in to what the asking price is. Sure, the Spurs would take him. He only has one year left on his deal and his salary coming off the books would be a good thing. But it's not like the Wolves could say we're giving you DLO, so that means less picks and futures. No, it really doesn't change anything. At this point the head idiot remains Rosas, and he is the most recent and likely last GM who will give up anything of real value for DLO.

And can we stop with the nonsense that DLO had a great season? I don't know if this is said to try and placate Camden, but it's bullshit and not true. He had a couple of very good months after the all-star break, but nothing about his season was great. It's like saying Trenton Hassell was a great basketball player. Just stop already.

Hahahahaha I had to actually stop and double check that this wasn't my post from earlier :) I understand why Finch and TC are talking him up (trade value), but I'll never understand why this board does it. I've been watching basketball for 35 years and Dlo makes some of the dumbest plays I've ever seen. Ill advised shots, followed by horrendous passes, followed by bull fighter defense, and then my favorite is when he chews out a teammate for their mistake, when his was way worse lol. Sure he gets hot and can win a game on his own every few weeks, but that's not what we want from our starting PG and supposed third option. I honestly don't want the guy back under any circumstance. I wouldn't even offer him a 4/40 contract, because I think even that money could be better spent elsewhere. I do think that there's a couple more teams out there willing to give him a one year try and then have his bird rights if he fits.

Well, obviously I agree that we overvalue DLo here and exaggerate anytime we say he had a great season. He had a good season...by his historical standards. And I have to admit he passes the "eye test" when he shows off some of his skills...superb ballhandling and much improved pocket passing. He's fun to watch at times. But we are guilty of extreme homerism and stat-ignoring if we label his season anything more than average for a starting PG. Go to basketball.reference.com and employ the "compare DLo to..." function with other PGs that we would all agree had great seasons, and the stats will show him falling short in most significant statistical measures. Heck, he falls far short statistically of some backup PGs, like our hometown boy Tyus. So we have to be realistic that NBA GMs are as adept at digging into advanced stats as we are, and that may significantly reduce the value of what we will get back. That is why I question Dane Moore's comment that his sources tell him DLo will be moved before the first week in July ends.

That said, DLo does seem to have a certain "star quality" that some other arguably more effective PGs lack. While it's not difficult to conclude that statistically Tyus was superior to DLo last season, it's also easy to conclude that a player like DLo is almost always more fun to watch...and is going to generally put more butts in the seats. And ultimately the NBA is a business, and you need to sell your product. That's our best opportunity to get something valuable back for Russell- to find a GM who, similar to Rosas, sees DLo as a guy that can attract fans.

But ultimately I'm with the majority here. Move DLo if we can get something in return that clearly makes us better and provides better fit next to our 2 stars (and I think we can), or let him play out his final season here...he's not going to hurt us, he's just not the guy to maximize the value of KAT and Ant. And good God, do not extend him to a contract that his performance just doesn't warrant. I'm eager to see what happens in the next two weeks.

Personally I thought Russell had a good season (relative to how I view him) and made progress toward being a winning basketball player as a Timberwolf and made some strides towards being the type of player we all want. Most people (this board, other fans, media, apparently some people from the league willing to talk about it to media) don't think Russell can or will build on that and to be honest that's a completely fair position. I think there is a chance Russell can build on it but it's absolutely not a certainty which is why I am open to a deal if it brings back value. Again I think that's going to be tricky.

Also..."Great season" was a quote by Finch so if people want to convince a person otherwise I guess people could take their beef about that to him. :)

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

I'm moving to a point where I think Dlo has to be traded this summer... not like Wiggins had to be traded, ie dumped. I love Dlo almost as much as Cam, but for his own good and the good of the team, he can't be asked to play out his expiring contract. It's too fraught.

But looking at the Knicks - Fournier and Noel works, but that's 3 years of Fournier (could be flippable next year, though... still a valuable player on a not altogether terrible contract) and 2 years of Noel, total of $25 million/yr for 2 years, $8 million in the 3rd if both play out their contracts. I guess I'd do that.

Pacers -- Myles Turner/TJ McConnell works, but I don't know what they might want to do if they move Brogdon.

But my fav deal is probably trade expirings with Cleveland -- Kevin Love for Dlo.

I'd consider doing the DLO for Love deal if I was sure we could sign Tyus as a free agent.

Agreed I would consider this deal/scenario as well. FWIW Love and The Cavs seem to mutually like having each other around. They are still pretty loaded in the front court but I don't really think the Cavs would do this deal.

Need a third team. Bring in the Knicks:

Wolves get Love
Knicks get DLO
Cavs get Rose & Fournier (frees up lots of cap room next summer)

Not the worst post I've ever read. Lets break it down.
Posts - KAT/KL/JV/WK/NR/(Prince or Monroe or Knight) - My choice would be Prince on a VetMin deal because of his versatility. One of the better One-thru-Six groups in the league. Championship caliber.
Wings - AE/JMD/MB/WMJ/LB/JN - The hope here for me is that JMD/WMJ/LB have REALLY strong training camps so MIN can package MB/TheirMLEsigning/picks for wing or point help.
Points - PB/JML - Wow. This is where MIN could spend their MLE. Tyus? Blonde Ricky? Or should they do something before 7/1 for MB/TradeExcep/Picks and then use the MLE on a Wing? And shoutout to Kahn/Flip/whoever's idea it was to get Blonde Ricky for James Johnson for recognizing Tyus and Blonde Ricky's, um, "greatness".

[Monster]

I'm moving to a point where I think Dlo has to be traded this summer... not like Wiggins had to be traded, ie dumped. I love Dlo almost as much as Cam, but for his own good and the good of the team, he can't be asked to play out his expiring contract. It's too fraught.

But looking at the Knicks - Fournier and Noel works, but that's 3 years of Fournier (could be flippable next year, though... still a valuable player on a not altogether terrible contract) and 2 years of Noel, total of $25 million/yr for 2 years, $8 million in the 3rd if both play out their contracts. I guess I'd do that.

Pacers -- Myles Turner/TJ McConnell works, but I don't know what they might want to do if they move Brogdon.

But my fav deal is probably trade expirings with Cleveland -- Kevin Love for Dlo.

I'd consider doing the DLO for Love deal if I was sure we could sign Tyus as a free agent.

Agreed I would consider this deal/scenario as well. FWIW Love and The Cavs seem to mutually like having each other around. They are still pretty loaded in the front court but I don't really think the Cavs would do this deal.

Need a third team. Bring in the Knicks:

Wolves get Love
Knicks get DLO
Cavs get Rose & Fournier (frees up lots of cap room next summer)

Not the worst post I've ever read. Lets break it down.
Posts - KAT/KL/JV/WK/NR/(Prince or Monroe or Knight) - My choice would be Prince on a VetMin deal because of his versatility. One of the better One-thru-Six groups in the league. Championship caliber.
Wings - AE/JMD/MB/WMJ/LB/JN - The hope here for me is that JMD/WMJ/LB have REALLY strong training camps so MIN can package MB/TheirMLEsigning/picks for wing or point help.
Points - PB/JML - Wow. This is where MIN could spend their MLE. Tyus? Blonde Ricky? Or should they do something before 7/1 for MB/TradeExcep/Picks and then use the MLE on a Wing? And shoutout to Kahn/Flip/whoever's idea it was to get Blonde Ricky for James Johnson for recognizing Tyus and Blonde Ricky's, um, "greatness".

FWIW It would be a lot easier to read your posts if you could actually write out the players instead of just initials.