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thedoper wrote:

Q12543 wrote:How much worse would we be if we traded KAT for Jarrett Allen, Spencer Dinwiddie, and Taurean Prince? i'd bet we would be the same or better. Allen instantly improves our defense. Dinwiddie gives us a ball handling playmaker and scorer. Prince gives us a 3 & D wing.

KAT is awesome. But he's limited in the impact he can make since he is weak on defense and has to rely on others to get shots. As Abe states, the game just isn't built these days for an offensively gifted Center that doesn't defend well.

Now do I think the Wolves actually consider trading KAT in the near future? Hell No. But I'm skeptical they can build around him given the existing trends and the way its officiated (again, see Abe's white paper on this topic). I certainly hope I'm wrong.

We would be a lot worse. We'd be last place in the west.

monsterpile wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:Golden State turned the corner when they traded away scorer Monta Ellis for Bogut. We need to find a Bogut type to clog the middle.

They also traded away a guy that likely was actually a negative for a positive. What really turned the corner was the fact they had 2 future HOF guards on their roster and they moved a guy that played their positions and also ended up drafting a future HOFer in the 2nd round. The Ellis for Bogut trade was significant though. If I remember correctly they were actually a good defensive team before that which people tend to forget about and Mark Jackson and his staff probably should get some credit for that.

Camden wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Just remember that no matter how good you are on offense, you spend 50% of the game playing defense. I'm in the camp that a KAT trade could be best in the long run. However, if you could move him to power forward and bring in an eraser to play center, I think you could win big.

I think this is the path as well. We can still play the way they want to play. Kat guarding sfs on switches isn't going to be much worse than hes doing now. I also think kat would work better as a weak side shot blocker. He would or can also be the small ball c. I think its much easier to find a big rim protector than another elite defensive 3d wing or pf. Unfortunately that big c we need is not on the roster.

Dedmon for dieng switch anyone?

Might as well go get Steven Adams if that's the way the team is going to be built.

WolvesFan21 wrote:The NBA is a superstar league and using the skills that the superstar does well in order to win games. You'll never be more then avg with avg players. KAT is perfect to build around with his elite floor spacing, it should be hard to not be a topp 10 offense with KAT, now go get the next Doncic (we screwed that one up by not trying to trade up) or Giannis or Kawhi (we past on those too) etc............

crazy-canuck wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:Golden State turned the corner when they traded away scorer Monta Ellis for Bogut. We need to find a Bogut type to clog the middle.

They also traded away a guy that likely was actually a negative for a positive. What really turned the corner was the fact they had 2 future HOF guards on their roster and they moved a guy that played their positions and also ended up drafting a future HOFer in the 2nd round. The Ellis for Bogut trade was significant though. If I remember correctly they were actually a good defensive team before that which people tend to forget about and Mark Jackson and his staff probably should get some credit for that.

Raptors also became an elite defensive team when demar was sent out and gasol brought in.

Camden0916 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:Golden State turned the corner when they traded away scorer Monta Ellis for Bogut. We need to find a Bogut type to clog the middle.

They also traded away a guy that likely was actually a negative for a positive. What really turned the corner was the fact they had 2 future HOF guards on their roster and they moved a guy that played their positions and also ended up drafting a future HOFer in the 2nd round. The Ellis for Bogut trade was significant though. If I remember correctly they were actually a good defensive team before that which people tend to forget about and Mark Jackson and his staff probably should get some credit for that.

I'm nitpicking here and actually agree with the general stance within your comment, but Draymond Green is not a Hall of Famer.

Q12543 wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:The NBA is a superstar league and using the skills that the superstar does well in order to win games. You'll never be more then avg with avg players. KAT is perfect to build around with his elite floor spacing, it should be hard to not be a topp 10 offense with KAT, now go get the next Doncic (we screwed that one up by not trying to trade up) or Giannis or Kawhi (we past on those too) etc............

It's funny you say that. Yet the teams that actually have Doncic and Giannis don't need "the next KAT" to be really good. Why is that?

KG4Ever wrote:Trading Kat would be insane. He hasn't even peaked yet and he loves being here. Its great seeing Wiggs come around with the new coaching staff. Now we have to draft and develop players wisely to fit around our two stars and we need to replicate what the most successful organizations have done and find and develop talent. Its a process and will take time. Enjoy the process.