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As much as I see flaws and in Edwards, Wiseman and Ball I personally have them clearly in a tier above everyone else. Ball has vision and playmaking nobody else in this class has. Wiseman has the athleticism of a modern center that the other Centers just don't have. Edwards albeit inefficiently has offensive attacking skills and an NBA body that the other wings don't have. Frankly trading down for a role player is not acceptable to me. Turning a number 1 overall pick into role players is not acceptable to me. I'd take the flyer on Edwards over getting a role player even though I'm not a big fan of Edwards because I know the talent is there to be a great player and I'm gonna put it on the organization to turn that talent into an All-Star. We need an All-Star out of this draft and we get the 1st pick to choose that guy.

khans2k5 wrote:As much as I see flaws and in Edwards, Wiseman and Ball I personally have them clearly in a tier above everyone else. Ball has vision and playmaking nobody else in this class has. Wiseman has the athleticism of a modern center that the other Centers just don't have. Edwards albeit inefficiently has offensive attacking skills and an NBA body that the other wings don't have. Frankly trading down for a role player is not acceptable to me. Turning a number 1 overall pick into role players is not acceptable to me. I'd take the flyer on Edwards over getting a role player even though I'm not a big fan of Edwards because I know the talent is there to be a great player and I'm gonna put it on the organization to turn that talent into an All-Star. We need an All-Star out of this draft and we get the 1st pick to choose that guy.

I think this is how I see it too. Im not sure Ball is as high in my mind as you have him. If we pick 1 I'd be happy with either Edwards or Wiseman with a slight edge to Wiseman in my mind because it seems you can never have enough wings.

Move down if you can and take the more versatile defender in Okongwu. Why do we want two 7 footers on the floor? Does any other contending team do that? I just see more defensive holes with Towns defending forwards.

BizarroJerry wrote:Move down if you can and take the more versatile defender in Okongwu. Why do we want two 7 footers on the floor? Does any other contending team do that? I just see more defensive holes with Towns defending forwards.

Did any other contending team run Twin Towers when the Spurs did it? Did any team run a "seven seconds" offense when the Suns did it? What about when the Magic implemented the "stretch-four" lineups? Remember several years ago when the Suns routinely ran three guard lineups with Bledsoe, Dragic, and Thomas? Remember when the Warriors put together the original "Death Lineup?" Has any team gone all in on small-ball like the Rockets?

Innovation is key. Being a step ahead is key. Zigging when your opposition zags is key. Copying someone else's model is basic and usually less successful in the end. Why would you as a fan root for that?

Camden0916 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:Move down if you can and take the more versatile defender in Okongwu. Why do we want two 7 footers on the floor? Does any other contending team do that? I just see more defensive holes with Towns defending forwards.

Did any other contending team run Twin Towers when the Spurs did it? Did any team run a "seven seconds" offense when the Suns did it? What about when the Magic implemented the "stretch-four" lineups? Remember several years ago when the Suns routinely ran three guard lineups with Bledsoe, Dragic, and Thomas? Remember when the Warriors put together the original "Death Lineup?" Has any team gone all in on small-ball like the Rockets?

Innovation is key. Being a step ahead is key. Zigging when your opposition zags is key. Copying someone else's model is basic and usually less successful in the end. Why would you as a fan root for that?

I figured this would get you all excited as you need to comment on everything. So your answer is San Antonio from 20 years ago?

BizarroJerry wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:Move down if you can and take the more versatile defender in Okongwu. Why do we want two 7 footers on the floor? Does any other contending team do that? I just see more defensive holes with Towns defending forwards.

Did any other contending team run Twin Towers when the Spurs did it? Did any team run a "seven seconds" offense when the Suns did it? What about when the Magic implemented the "stretch-four" lineups? Remember several years ago when the Suns routinely ran three guard lineups with Bledsoe, Dragic, and Thomas? Remember when the Warriors put together the original "Death Lineup?" Has any team gone all in on small-ball like the Rockets?

Innovation is key. Being a step ahead is key. Zigging when your opposition zags is key. Copying someone else's model is basic and usually less successful in the end. Why would you as a fan root for that?

I figured this would get you all excited as you need to comment on everything. So your answer is San Antonio from 20 years ago?

Weird, this is a message board where people comment whenever they feel like it. And my answer is that following the current trend leaves you behind. Find the new trend. Find a way to create your own mismatches for opposing teams. Just because a current team isn't doing something doesn't mean it's not a strategy worth employing.

After giving it more thought, though, the Lakers actually run a Twins Towers approach with Anthony Davis refusing to play center. The Pelicans at one time had success with DeMarcus Cousins and Davis several years ago.

Does that answer your question, BizarroJerry? Or do you still not quite comprehend what the discussion is?

I think you take Wiseman because he's probably the asset that you could get the most in return for in the event someone else really wanted him. And if a worthwhile deal doesn't come along, then fine, let's see how we can best use him.

Camden0916 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:Move down if you can and take the more versatile defender in Okongwu. Why do we want two 7 footers on the floor? Does any other contending team do that? I just see more defensive holes with Towns defending forwards.

Did any other contending team run Twin Towers when the Spurs did it? Did any team run a "seven seconds" offense when the Suns did it? What about when the Magic implemented the "stretch-four" lineups? Remember several years ago when the Suns routinely ran three guard lineups with Bledsoe, Dragic, and Thomas? Remember when the Warriors put together the original "Death Lineup?" Has any team gone all in on small-ball like the Rockets?

Innovation is key. Being a step ahead is key. Zigging when your opposition zags is key. Copying someone else's model is basic and usually less successful in the end. Why would you as a fan root for that?

I figured this would get you all excited as you need to comment on everything. So your answer is San Antonio from 20 years ago?

Weird, this is a message board where people comment whenever they feel like it. And my answer is that following the current trend leaves you behind. Find the new trend. Find a way to create your own mismatches for opposing teams. Just because a current team isn't doing something doesn't mean it's not a strategy worth employing.

After giving it more thought, though, the Lakers actually run a Twins Towers approach with Anthony Davis refusing to play center. The Pelicans at one time had success with DeMarcus Cousins and Davis several years ago.

Does that answer your question, BizarroJerry? Or do you still not quite comprehend what the discussion is?

Yeah I'm still really confused. You haven't shown me a title contending team in the last twenty years that features two seven footers. McGee is a role player and he shouldn't be starting. How far did Cousins and Davis get in the playoffs? Or are you confused by my argument?

BizarroJerry wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:Move down if you can and take the more versatile defender in Okongwu. Why do we want two 7 footers on the floor? Does any other contending team do that? I just see more defensive holes with Towns defending forwards.

Did any other contending team run Twin Towers when the Spurs did it? Did any team run a "seven seconds" offense when the Suns did it? What about when the Magic implemented the "stretch-four" lineups? Remember several years ago when the Suns routinely ran three guard lineups with Bledsoe, Dragic, and Thomas? Remember when the Warriors put together the original "Death Lineup?" Has any team gone all in on small-ball like the Rockets?

Innovation is key. Being a step ahead is key. Zigging when your opposition zags is key. Copying someone else's model is basic and usually less successful in the end. Why would you as a fan root for that?

I figured this would get you all excited as you need to comment on everything. So your answer is San Antonio from 20 years ago?

Weird, this is a message board where people comment whenever they feel like it. And my answer is that following the current trend leaves you behind. Find the new trend. Find a way to create your own mismatches for opposing teams. Just because a current team isn't doing something doesn't mean it's not a strategy worth employing.

After giving it more thought, though, the Lakers actually run a Twins Towers approach with Anthony Davis refusing to play center. The Pelicans at one time had success with DeMarcus Cousins and Davis several years ago.

Does that answer your question, BizarroJerry? Or do you still not quite comprehend what the discussion is?

Yeah I'm still really confused. You haven't shown me a title contending team in the last twenty years that features two seven footers. McGee is a role player and he shouldn't be starting. How far did Cousins and Davis get in the playoffs? Or are you confused by my argument?

2014 Spurs (Duncan/Splitter), 2011 Mavs (Dirk/Chandler), 2009-2010 Lakers (Gasol/Bynum), 2008 Celtics (KG/Perk). That's 5 titles in the last 12 years so that counts as in the last 20 years right? The main lesson from small ball? Have Lebron, Kawhi, KD or just 4 Hall of Famers in your main lineup (Steph, Klay, Iggy, Draymond) and then you are set so that's all we have to do. Should be easy to do.

Camden wrote:NETS:
- Kyrie Irving (No. 1)
- Kevin Durant (No. 2)
- Caris LeVert (No. 20)
- Jarrett Allen (No. 22)

SIXERS:
- Ben Simmons (No. 1)
- Joel Embiid (No. 3)
- Al Horford (No. 3)
- Tobias Harris (No. 19)

LAKERS:
- LeBron James (No. 1)
- Anthony Davis (No. 1)
- Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (No. 8 )
- Markieff Morris (No. 13)

WIZARDS (in the past):
- John Wall (No. 1)
- Bradley Beal (No. 3)
- Otto Porter (No. 3)

This post isn't meant to discredit or even oppose Lip's, but it's to show that teams can build in various ways to include an accumulation of players that were at one point drafted very high in the draft. The most-necessary point here is that teams have to hit on these picks when they're selecting at the top of the draft.

Exactly the point I was making, Cam. You rounded out the picture. It's about making smart draft decisions regardless of draft position. You can't expect to hit on every pick or even close to it. But the Wolves have missed on far, far too many. Let's see what Rosas does this year. He appears to have messed up last year, but even that's not firmly established yet by only one NBA season for Culver and one G-League season for Nowell. Rosas has three terrific draft assets. Let's see what he does.