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AbeVigodaLive wrote:Who says no (salary complications aside)...

in a Westbrook for Russell trade right now?

I'd do it.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Here are the moves that I could see happening:

Trade KAT- Could be a viable option later in the season but way to soon now

Trade DLO and Naz for Simmons - probably a pipe dream

Bench DLO for JMac. Could happen any time.

My favorite: Bench DLO, start Ant at the 1 forcing him to be more of a facilitator. Start Jaden at the two - he can play that just as well as the 3. Start Slomo at the 3. There would be much more sharing of the basketball and we would be a better rebounding team.

It would be idiotic to trade KAT now. That would be to build around 2 players in Gobert and Ant who are a decade apart in relation. The time to decide to trade KAT was before the Gobert trade.

The Gobert trade and Butler trade are both the same. A shortsighted hailmary for a chance at a hailmary.

KAT is an excellent shooter and once was an automatic low post bucket.But he is slow footed, his decision making is half a second slow, and he wants to be a wing. He believes he is 6'6. He barrels into people, he is slow to pass, slide in to defend, etc. He has marginalized his ability to impact games, and our franchise has played right along. Go get a lumbering big who has no offensive game, now KAT can sit outside or barrel into an offensive foul. KAT can't defend inside at all because he is always a second late on everything, okay let us get a big guy who can defend the rim, but oops, KAT is too slow footed or quick to react to defend on the perimeter or play as a switch help.

The Butler trade was to prove KAT was the guy. We weren't there yet, and Butler knew it. Failed there. Remember, we gave up LaVine and Markkenen, we got Covington and Saric for Butler. We traded Beverley, Vanderbilt, Beasley, 5 first round picks for Gobert.

The Gobert trade was, I don't know, an attempt to catapult us from actually making the playoffs organically with a core of 20-27 year olds mixed with capable vets finally fighting with confidence and energy into a self-destructive, imbalanced team. And stuck with it.

Westbrook would make this team better than Dlo does, I say yes. He fits better. He's faster, he passes the rock just as well if not better, and he puts his head down and drives to the lane which will put the defense on skates with all the different ways we can penetrate with Westy, Ant, and Towns.

I agree with others sentiment, the product we have seen on the court thus far is downright disappointing. How are we this bad at offense? Come on Finch! Pull those strings to turn this rotten potato into some delicious french fries! Dlo needs to go to the bench, I'm done with waiting for this guy to put it all together, when his shot is on he can be a net positive, but when it is not, he is unplayable.

Who I really wish we went after last summer is Jalen Brunson, me thinks we would be SO much better if he was running point.

Ant at point is not a bad idea, force him to pass, ball movement will be better, and so will Ant, as his man won't be up in his grill all the time.

Jaden needs to learn to stay on the court period.

KAT's antics are better, and I like that, but he has a non zero impact on winning. When is the last time he imposed his will on a game?

Jaylen has been such a chucker, but I'm ok if that's or 6th man.

I don't have any complaints about any of the other players, I actually really like JMac, Prince, Slomo, and Naz.

On a side note, Utah has built a pretty nice looking team, they may be legit this year, and none of their players are stars. Just a solid group of players that excel at the way the nba game is played today.

On another side note, we are not as monsterous of a team as I thought when compared to other teams around the league. Among others, look at how HUGE Orlando starting 5 is right now!

To all those relaxing.....still relaxing? Still drinking that optimistic glass half full BS?

To the few of us that have called this team out early and often, glad you actually watch the games with your eyes open!

I'll continue to say this team will be lucky to win a play in game and backdoor into the playoffs.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Here are the moves that I could see happening:

Trade KAT- Could be a viable option later in the season but way to soon now

Trade DLO and Naz for Simmons - probably a pipe dream

Bench DLO for JMac. Could happen any time.

My favorite: Bench DLO, start Ant at the 1 forcing him to be more of a facilitator. Start Jaden at the two - he can play that just as well as the 3. Start Slomo at the 3. There would be much more sharing of the basketball and we would be a better rebounding team.

Hey Cool. First of all, I hope you recovering well from your knee surgery. Second, I think it's just about time for the Wolves front office to make a move.

KAT can't be traded until after the season and I still don't see him as part of the problem. Last season with the KAT we won 46 games and took the 2nd-seed Grizzlies to six games with our starting PG missing in action. A few years ago we went to the playoffs when KAT was only 21 years old by adding Butler to the roster. Meanwhile, KAT's productivity and efficiency as both a scorer and rebounder speak for themselves. Truth is, this franchise has had success with KAT the two times they surrounded him with decent talent. And even last season, it's not like he was surrounded by anything close to Scottie Pippen caliber talent. Over the years KAT has been asked to do different things by a series of different coaches. Once again, KAT is begin asked to adapt to different players at key positions and a different role. I think he's struggling to adapt to his new role with Rudy and I'm not surprised. KAT has his issues and he's not going to take us to the promised land. Right now, he's the least of our problems.

I'm with you on your other suggested options. If Finch is inclined to bench DLO, he might as well just trade him so we don't further diminish DLO's already rock-bottom trade value. The Simmons deal makes sense for both teams. DLO has value to the Nets as an expiring contract for a team that will obviously have to rebuild after this season. The Kyrie thing isn't working and Westbrook's not the answer for them.

I also think the Wolves should consider swapping DLO for Westbrook. At least Westbrook would bring some fire to this team. And since he's an expiring contract, we wouldn't be taking on any long-term financial burden.

Otherwise, at a minimum, Finch should bench DLO for JMac.

I want to clarify that I'm not blaming the Wolves pathetic start on DLO. However, he bears a large share of the blame in my view and I can't think of another internal move that would potentially have a much of a positive impact.

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Here are the moves that I could see happening:

Trade KAT- Could be a viable option later in the season but way to soon now

Trade DLO and Naz for Simmons - probably a pipe dream

Bench DLO for JMac. Could happen any time.

My favorite: Bench DLO, start Ant at the 1 forcing him to be more of a facilitator. Start Jaden at the two - he can play that just as well as the 3. Start Slomo at the 3. There would be much more sharing of the basketball and we would be a better rebounding team.

Hey Cool. First of all, I hope you recovering well from your knee surgery. Second, I think it's just about time for the Wolves front office to make a move.

KAT can't be traded until after the season and I still don't see him as part of the problem. Last season with the KAT we won 46 games and took the 2nd-seed Grizzlies to six games with our starting PG missing in action. A few years ago we went to the playoffs when KAT was only 21 years old by adding Butler to the roster. Meanwhile, KAT's productivity and efficiency as both a scorer and rebounder speak for themselves. Truth is, this franchise has had success with KAT the two times they surrounded him with decent talent. And even last season, it's not like he was surrounded by anything close to Scottie Pippen caliber talent. Over the years KAT has been asked to do different things by a series of different coaches. Once again, KAT is begin asked to adapt to different players at key positions and a different role. I think he's struggling to adapt to his new role with Rudy and I'm not surprised. KAT has his issues and he's not going to take us to the promised land. Right now, he's the least of our problems.

I'm with you on your other suggested options. If Finch is inclined to bench DLO, he might as well just trade him so we don't further diminish DLO's already rock-bottom trade value. The Simmons deal makes sense for both teams. DLO has value to the Nets as an expiring contract for a team that will obviously have to rebuild after this season. The Kyrie thing isn't working and Westbrook's not the answer for them.

I also think the Wolves should consider swapping DLO for Westbrook. At least Westbrook would bring some fire to this team. And since he's an expiring contract, we wouldn't be taking on any long-term financial burden.

Otherwise, at a minimum, Finch should bench DLO for JMac.

I want to clarify that I'm not blaming the Wolves pathetic start on DLO. However, he bears a large share of the blame in my view and I can't think of another internal move that would potentially have a much of a positive impact.

I have a feeling a Dlo starting lineup benching is incoming. His quotes last night about Dlo were not the best (Now I saw them on twitter and did not watch the video so context could be missing). It will be interesting to see what the Wolves do.

Chris Finch on the decision to sit D'Angelo Russell in the last 4:41 tonight: "Just was looking for defense, somebody who could get into the paint. Just trying things at this point in time."

AbeVigodaLive wrote:Who says no (salary complications aside)...

in a Westbrook for Russell trade right now?

Believe it or not, I actually would not do that. I'm not trading the 2nd worst player (value wise) for the worst. There has to be a better option, otherwise I'd just waive Dlo.

TheFuture wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Here are the moves that I could see happening:

Trade KAT- Could be a viable option later in the season but way to soon now

Trade DLO and Naz for Simmons - probably a pipe dream

Bench DLO for JMac. Could happen any time.

My favorite: Bench DLO, start Ant at the 1 forcing him to be more of a facilitator. Start Jaden at the two - he can play that just as well as the 3. Start Slomo at the 3. There would be much more sharing of the basketball and we would be a better rebounding team.

It would be idiotic to trade KAT now. That would be to build around 2 players in Gobert and Ant who are a decade apart in relation. The time to decide to trade KAT was before the Gobert trade.

The Gobert trade and Butler trade are both the same. A shortsighted hailmary for a chance at a hailmary.

KAT is an excellent shooter and once was an automatic low post bucket.But he is slow footed, his decision making is half a second slow, and he wants to be a wing. He believes he is 6'6. He barrels into people, he is slow to pass, slide in to defend, etc. He has marginalized his ability to impact games, and our franchise has played right along. Go get a lumbering big who has no offensive game, now KAT can sit outside or barrel into an offensive foul. KAT can't defend inside at all because he is always a second late on everything, okay let us get a big guy who can defend the rim, but oops, KAT is too slow footed or quick to react to defend on the perimeter or play as a switch help.

The Butler trade was to prove KAT was the guy. We weren't there yet, and Butler knew it. Failed there. Remember, we gave up LaVine and Markkenen, we got Covington and Saric for Butler. We traded Beverley, Vanderbilt, Beasley, 5 first round picks for Gobert.

The Gobert trade was, I don't know, an attempt to catapult us from actually making the playoffs organically with a core of 20-27 year olds mixed with capable vets finally fighting with confidence and energy into a self-destructive, imbalanced team. And stuck with it.

Yep, exactly what I've been saying on Kat this whole time. I agree, the butler and Gobert trades were comparable, although I liked the butler trade a little better (still probably wouldn't have done it, because I hated losing lavine)

I don't think it's idiotic to consider trading Kat. I think you need to trade either Rudy or Kat because they're not a good fit on either end (can't trade Kat until offseason apparently). You're right, the ideal time to trade Kat would have been prior to the Rudy trade.

I think you just waive Dlo at this point and build around around Ant/Jaden and either Kat/Rudy. Jaden has been showing me something lately and I think he's gonna be a stud. I think things look a lot better the sooner you get Dlo out of these guys way and get rid of the awkward two center lineup ASAP also.

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Here are the moves that I could see happening:

Trade KAT- Could be a viable option later in the season but way to soon now

Trade DLO and Naz for Simmons - probably a pipe dream

Bench DLO for JMac. Could happen any time.

My favorite: Bench DLO, start Ant at the 1 forcing him to be more of a facilitator. Start Jaden at the two - he can play that just as well as the 3. Start Slomo at the 3. There would be much more sharing of the basketball and we would be a better rebounding team.

Hey Cool. First of all, I hope you recovering well from your knee surgery. Second, I think it's just about time for the Wolves front office to make a move.

KAT can't be traded until after the season and I still don't see him as part of the problem. Last season with the KAT we won 46 games and took the 2nd-seed Grizzlies to six games with our starting PG missing in action. A few years ago we went to the playoffs when KAT was only 21 years old by adding Butler to the roster. Meanwhile, KAT's productivity and efficiency as both a scorer and rebounder speak for themselves. Truth is, this franchise has had success with KAT the two times they surrounded him with decent talent. And even last season, it's not like he was surrounded by anything close to Scottie Pippen caliber talent. Over the years KAT has been asked to do different things by a series of different coaches. Once again, KAT is begin asked to adapt to different players at key positions and a different role. I think he's struggling to adapt to his new role with Rudy and I'm not surprised. KAT has his issues and he's not going to take us to the promised land. Right now, he's the least of our problems.

I'm with you on your other suggested options. If Finch is inclined to bench DLO, he might as well just trade him so we don't further diminish DLO's already rock-bottom trade value. The Simmons deal makes sense for both teams. DLO has value to the Nets as an expiring contract for a team that will obviously have to rebuild after this season. The Kyrie thing isn't working and Westbrook's not the answer for them.

I also think the Wolves should consider swapping DLO for Westbrook. At least Westbrook would bring some fire to this team. And since he's an expiring contract, we wouldn't be taking on any long-term financial burden.

Otherwise, at a minimum, Finch should bench DLO for JMac.

I want to clarify that I'm not blaming the Wolves pathetic start on DLO. However, he bears a large share of the blame in my view and I can't think of another internal move that would potentially have a much of a positive impact.

How do you not see KAT as part of the problem? He is the only player constant through 3+ different teams. He is talented, no doubt. But he is no #1, yet touted as one and believes to be one.

TheFuture wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Here are the moves that I could see happening:

Trade KAT- Could be a viable option later in the season but way to soon now

Trade DLO and Naz for Simmons - probably a pipe dream

Bench DLO for JMac. Could happen any time.

My favorite: Bench DLO, start Ant at the 1 forcing him to be more of a facilitator. Start Jaden at the two - he can play that just as well as the 3. Start Slomo at the 3. There would be much more sharing of the basketball and we would be a better rebounding team.

Hey Cool. First of all, I hope you recovering well from your knee surgery. Second, I think it's just about time for the Wolves front office to make a move.

KAT can't be traded until after the season and I still don't see him as part of the problem. Last season with the KAT we won 46 games and took the 2nd-seed Grizzlies to six games with our starting PG missing in action. A few years ago we went to the playoffs when KAT was only 21 years old by adding Butler to the roster. Meanwhile, KAT's productivity and efficiency as both a scorer and rebounder speak for themselves. Truth is, this franchise has had success with KAT the two times they surrounded him with decent talent. And even last season, it's not like he was surrounded by anything close to Scottie Pippen caliber talent. Over the years KAT has been asked to do different things by a series of different coaches. Once again, KAT is begin asked to adapt to different players at key positions and a different role. I think he's struggling to adapt to his new role with Rudy and I'm not surprised. KAT has his issues and he's not going to take us to the promised land. Right now, he's the least of our problems.

I'm with you on your other suggested options. If Finch is inclined to bench DLO, he might as well just trade him so we don't further diminish DLO's already rock-bottom trade value. The Simmons deal makes sense for both teams. DLO has value to the Nets as an expiring contract for a team that will obviously have to rebuild after this season. The Kyrie thing isn't working and Westbrook's not the answer for them.

I also think the Wolves should consider swapping DLO for Westbrook. At least Westbrook would bring some fire to this team. And since he's an expiring contract, we wouldn't be taking on any long-term financial burden.

Otherwise, at a minimum, Finch should bench DLO for JMac.

I want to clarify that I'm not blaming the Wolves pathetic start on DLO. However, he bears a large share of the blame in my view and I can't think of another internal move that would potentially have a much of a positive impact.

How do you not see KAT as part of the problem? He is the only player constant through 3+ different teams. He is talented, no doubt. But he is no #1, yet touted as one and believes to be one.

Championship or bust, they have collectively embodied his style of complaining and effort in spurts mentality. If your best player is allowed to be like that why not follow suit? They need a real leader so bad!