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If ATL wants to move either one of there C/PF types I would love to bring one in.

What's a little dubious here is that Atlanta needs all the help it can get on defense. Not sure why they'd want to swap out a legit big like Capela for a poor defender like Beasley. I think this whole thing started because the Wolves were inquiring about Capela, not that Atlanta is shopping Capela, correct?

Q-was-here wrote:What's a little dubious here is that Atlanta needs all the help it can get on defense. Not sure why they'd want to swap out a legit big like Capela for a poor defender like Beasley. I think this whole thing started because the Wolves were inquiring about Capela, not that Atlanta is shopping Capela, correct?

I agree that it doesn't make sense for Atlanta to trade away defense without getting equal or better defense in return. This conversation actually started with a report that the Wolves and Atlanta were discussing possible deals for Capela. We don't know whether trade talks were initiated by the Wolves or the Hawks. Interestingly, it's also been reported that the Hawks have discussed possibly deal Capela as part of a package for Gobert. That makes more sense for Atlanta because they wouldn't be further compromising their already poor defense.

So what's the value to the Hawks of dealing Capela for DLO? It wasn't my idea, but I'll take a stab. One thing Atlanta needs in addition to better defense is another ball-handler/facilitator to take some of the pressure off Trae Young. TU's proposed deal would also allow the Hawks to move on from Gallinari, which they reportedly want to do.

KG4Ever wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:Kek, I agree Capela wouldn't get completely played off the floor (like Drummond or Steven Adams for example), but I just can't see him and KAT sharing the floor in crunch time. That's where I get a little stuck. Do we really want to pay a guy $20M per year if he can't be out there in the last 7 minutes of close games? May be he could be used as a defensive sub in those situations?

It all comes down to what we'd have to give up to get him. I'm with Cam on the fact that he solves a couple of big problems for us. It just may come at a steep price.

Ya once again it comes at the asking price. I just don't think there is a great solution for putting a big next to Kat what is realistic.

Like Capela fixes rebounding, defense and a rim running big but can't space the floor and might be unplayable down the stretch of big because of FT shooting

Turner can space the floor and would allow us to play drop coverage more but he is injury prone not that good of a shooter and is a terrible rebounder for a big

Drummond, Hartenstien, Nurkic I think all can provide something in the regular season and would be a plus but I do think all 3 are almost unplayble in the playoffs guarding on the perimeter. So I don't know how much cap space I want put guys who I don't think will make any difference in the post season.

Jalen Smith is young but I don't want to pay him to find out if he is ok or not. Like go on Indiana Message boards they think he sucks. Now in theory he might be based on skill set but he has been a terrible NBA guy his 1st 2 years in the league. He might develop into something because he is still young but I don't think I want to pay him to find out.

Mo Bamba is just a better Jalen Smith. He is an NBA player but he is a replacement level NBA Center who still has good upside but the price it is going to take to make him a wolf I think is way to much to bank on potential. I like Bamba but once again I don't want to pay big money on potential.

I think the Wolves are in the weird spot of they need a big big man but no option is perfect. Like the FA are not playoff players and the guys that could be traded for have big flaws. I just don't know the solution because whoever the Wolves add I don't know if they are playing the last 5 minutes of a playoff game. Of the names above I think Capela is the only reasonable option and I can see him being in our closing 5 even with the major flaw that he has.

Its a weird spot for the wolves.

I disagree with your take on Jalen Smith. He impressed me both with the Suns and with the Pacers this year. He was in Indiana after they traded away Sabonis, sat Turner out and were doing their tankathon but he stood out among all the bigs that were playing then. Can shoot the threes well, block shots, rebound and score efficiently and it was year 2, so I see improvement ahead. He also had one of the best plus/minus during his stint in Indiana, surpassing Haliburton. By the way, I liked Jalen Smith as a college player and was shocked when he didn't get extended by the Suns after being drafted tenth overall and I think its commonly thought the Suns blundered by not extending him. He recently turned 22 and getting him on a favorable contract is almost like getting a bonus lottery pick. I want him badly. Give me Hartenstein and Smith and I'll grade our offseason, an A+.

According to cleaintheglass.com Jalen Smith lineups had a -1.4 pts per 100 possessions in his stint with Indiana and they couldn't stop a lick defensively when he was on the court (to be fair to him his most common lineup was a Haliburton/Hield/Terry/Birshett what isn't a murders row of talent). Jalen Smith played 22 games with the Pacers where he put up good counting stats for a team in the ultimate tank mode including shooting 37.3% from 3. Is 22 games a big enough sample size on a tanking team to determine if he is good or not because he shot 23.2% from 3 in his 56 career games with the Suns. Then you go to the point where Jalen Smith had his team option declined by the Suns and traded for Craig, so a really good basketball team who needed big man help decided a lottery rookie wasn't worth the money and thought journeymen bigs like Byiumbo and Mcgee were better options and a journeymen wing in Craig was a better option (To be fair to Smith the Suns organization is a super cheap organization so some of it was a lux tax dump.)

At the end of the day Jalen Smith might end up good, he had a decent stint with the Pacers on a tanking team. The issue is the Wolves are going to have to pay for that potential. The Pacers can only offer him 4.67mil what means he is probably not returning to Ind and will get more money on the open market. I am guessing he something close to that 3 year 30 million contact. Do the Wolves really want to pay a guy close to 10 million a year hoping he is good. Personally I do not, I would rather just pay Prince that money instead a proven NBA rotation player. You would call the Wolves offseason a A+ if they added Smith and Hartienstien and more than likely they will make close to 18 million a year combined. Personally I don't know if the wolves get really any better because with no context Prince is better Hartienstien and Smith. (Obviously with those bigs probably are a bigger need for the Wolves but they are not starting caliber bigs in my opinion).

Once again Smith might end up really good, I am not sure but I don't want to pay to find out if he is good because it is going to be the majority of the MLE if not all the MLE to add him and he might not be a rotation NBA player, I mean the best team in the West didn't think he was worth 4.5 million a year. I just don't want to pay good money for just potential.

kekgeek1 wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:Kek, I agree Capela wouldn't get completely played off the floor (like Drummond or Steven Adams for example), but I just can't see him and KAT sharing the floor in crunch time. That's where I get a little stuck. Do we really want to pay a guy $20M per year if he can't be out there in the last 7 minutes of close games? May be he could be used as a defensive sub in those situations?

It all comes down to what we'd have to give up to get him. I'm with Cam on the fact that he solves a couple of big problems for us. It just may come at a steep price.

Ya once again it comes at the asking price. I just don't think there is a great solution for putting a big next to Kat what is realistic.

Like Capela fixes rebounding, defense and a rim running big but can't space the floor and might be unplayable down the stretch of big because of FT shooting

Turner can space the floor and would allow us to play drop coverage more but he is injury prone not that good of a shooter and is a terrible rebounder for a big

Drummond, Hartenstien, Nurkic I think all can provide something in the regular season and would be a plus but I do think all 3 are almost unplayble in the playoffs guarding on the perimeter. So I don't know how much cap space I want put guys who I don't think will make any difference in the post season.

Jalen Smith is young but I don't want to pay him to find out if he is ok or not. Like go on Indiana Message boards they think he sucks. Now in theory he might be based on skill set but he has been a terrible NBA guy his 1st 2 years in the league. He might develop into something because he is still young but I don't think I want to pay him to find out.

Mo Bamba is just a better Jalen Smith. He is an NBA player but he is a replacement level NBA Center who still has good upside but the price it is going to take to make him a wolf I think is way to much to bank on potential. I like Bamba but once again I don't want to pay big money on potential.

I think the Wolves are in the weird spot of they need a big big man but no option is perfect. Like the FA are not playoff players and the guys that could be traded for have big flaws. I just don't know the solution because whoever the Wolves add I don't know if they are playing the last 5 minutes of a playoff game. Of the names above I think Capela is the only reasonable option and I can see him being in our closing 5 even with the major flaw that he has.

Its a weird spot for the wolves.

I disagree with your take on Jalen Smith. He impressed me both with the Suns and with the Pacers this year. He was in Indiana after they traded away Sabonis, sat Turner out and were doing their tankathon but he stood out among all the bigs that were playing then. Can shoot the threes well, block shots, rebound and score efficiently and it was year 2, so I see improvement ahead. He also had one of the best plus/minus during his stint in Indiana, surpassing Haliburton. By the way, I liked Jalen Smith as a college player and was shocked when he didn't get extended by the Suns after being drafted tenth overall and I think its commonly thought the Suns blundered by not extending him. He recently turned 22 and getting him on a favorable contract is almost like getting a bonus lottery pick. I want him badly. Give me Hartenstein and Smith and I'll grade our offseason, an A+.

According to cleaintheglass.com Jalen Smith lineups had a -1.4 pts per 100 possessions in his stint with Indiana and they couldn't stop a lick defensively when he was on the court (to be fair to him his most common lineup was a Haliburton/Hield/Terry/Birshett what isn't a murders row of talent). Jalen Smith played 22 games with the Pacers where he put up good counting stats for a team in the ultimate tank mode including shooting 37.3% from 3. Is 22 games a big enough sample size on a tanking team to determine if he is good or not because he shot 23.2% from 3 in his 56 career games with the Suns. Then you go to the point where Jalen Smith had his team option declined by the Suns and traded for Craig, so a really good basketball team who needed big man help decided a lottery rookie wasn't worth the money and thought journeymen bigs like Byiumbo and Mcgee were better options and a journeymen wing in Craig was a better option (To be fair to Smith the Suns organization is a super cheap organization so some of it was a lux tax dump.)

At the end of the day Jalen Smith might end up good, he had a decent stint with the Pacers on a tanking team. The issue is the Wolves are going to have to pay for that potential. The Pacers can only offer him 4.67mil what means he is probably not returning to Ind and will get more money on the open market. I am guessing he something close to that 3 year 30 million contact. Do the Wolves really want to pay a guy close to 10 million a year hoping he is good. Personally I do not, I would rather just pay Prince that money instead a proven NBA rotation player. You would call the Wolves offseason a A+ if they added Smith and Hartienstien and more than likely they will make close to 18 million a year combined. Personally I don't know if the wolves get really any better because with no context Prince is better Hartienstien and Smith. (Obviously with those bigs probably are a bigger need for the Wolves but they are not starting caliber bigs in my opinion).

Once again Smith might end up really good, I am not sure but I don't want to pay to find out if he is good because it is going to be the majority of the MLE if not all the MLE to add him and he might not be a rotation NBA player, I mean the best team in the West didn't think he was worth 4.5 million a year. I just don't want to pay good money for just potential.

First of all Prince can be resigned regardless of any other Free Agents because the Wolves have his Bird rights.

2nd let's remind ourselves that Jalen Smith was a young 2nd year player that was working on an expiring contract for a Suns team that was looking to compete for a championship. The Suns basically has moved on from Smith going into last season and to Smith's credit he was actually doing some good things playing for a very good Suns team getting some legit minutes.

Now I tend to agree with you how much would I pay him for the hope that he is actually a good player? Idk I actually feel that way a bit about Hartenstein too and he is for sure more proven. I'm honestly not sure how much Smith is actually going to get. Maybe he gets the full mid-level and maybe it turns out to be a good deal. I think it's uncertain. I would feel much better about taking a swing on him for 5-7 million.

If Sac wants to take Ivey is a Dlo for Fox deal a possibility? Id love to have Fox's pace added to our roster.

kekgeek1 wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:Kek, I agree Capela wouldn't get completely played off the floor (like Drummond or Steven Adams for example), but I just can't see him and KAT sharing the floor in crunch time. That's where I get a little stuck. Do we really want to pay a guy $20M per year if he can't be out there in the last 7 minutes of close games? May be he could be used as a defensive sub in those situations?

It all comes down to what we'd have to give up to get him. I'm with Cam on the fact that he solves a couple of big problems for us. It just may come at a steep price.

Ya once again it comes at the asking price. I just don't think there is a great solution for putting a big next to Kat what is realistic.

Like Capela fixes rebounding, defense and a rim running big but can't space the floor and might be unplayable down the stretch of big because of FT shooting

Turner can space the floor and would allow us to play drop coverage more but he is injury prone not that good of a shooter and is a terrible rebounder for a big

Drummond, Hartenstien, Nurkic I think all can provide something in the regular season and would be a plus but I do think all 3 are almost unplayble in the playoffs guarding on the perimeter. So I don't know how much cap space I want put guys who I don't think will make any difference in the post season.

Jalen Smith is young but I don't want to pay him to find out if he is ok or not. Like go on Indiana Message boards they think he sucks. Now in theory he might be based on skill set but he has been a terrible NBA guy his 1st 2 years in the league. He might develop into something because he is still young but I don't think I want to pay him to find out.

Mo Bamba is just a better Jalen Smith. He is an NBA player but he is a replacement level NBA Center who still has good upside but the price it is going to take to make him a wolf I think is way to much to bank on potential. I like Bamba but once again I don't want to pay big money on potential.

I think the Wolves are in the weird spot of they need a big big man but no option is perfect. Like the FA are not playoff players and the guys that could be traded for have big flaws. I just don't know the solution because whoever the Wolves add I don't know if they are playing the last 5 minutes of a playoff game. Of the names above I think Capela is the only reasonable option and I can see him being in our closing 5 even with the major flaw that he has.

Its a weird spot for the wolves.

I disagree with your take on Jalen Smith. He impressed me both with the Suns and with the Pacers this year. He was in Indiana after they traded away Sabonis, sat Turner out and were doing their tankathon but he stood out among all the bigs that were playing then. Can shoot the threes well, block shots, rebound and score efficiently and it was year 2, so I see improvement ahead. He also had one of the best plus/minus during his stint in Indiana, surpassing Haliburton. By the way, I liked Jalen Smith as a college player and was shocked when he didn't get extended by the Suns after being drafted tenth overall and I think its commonly thought the Suns blundered by not extending him. He recently turned 22 and getting him on a favorable contract is almost like getting a bonus lottery pick. I want him badly. Give me Hartenstein and Smith and I'll grade our offseason, an A+.

According to cleaintheglass.com Jalen Smith lineups had a -1.4 pts per 100 possessions in his stint with Indiana and they couldn't stop a lick defensively when he was on the court (to be fair to him his most common lineup was a Haliburton/Hield/Terry/Birshett what isn't a murders row of talent). Jalen Smith played 22 games with the Pacers where he put up good counting stats for a team in the ultimate tank mode including shooting 37.3% from 3. Is 22 games a big enough sample size on a tanking team to determine if he is good or not because he shot 23.2% from 3 in his 56 career games with the Suns. Then you go to the point where Jalen Smith had his team option declined by the Suns and traded for Craig, so a really good basketball team who needed big man help decided a lottery rookie wasn't worth the money and thought journeymen bigs like Byiumbo and Mcgee were better options and a journeymen wing in Craig was a better option (To be fair to Smith the Suns organization is a super cheap organization so some of it was a lux tax dump.)

At the end of the day Jalen Smith might end up good, he had a decent stint with the Pacers on a tanking team. The issue is the Wolves are going to have to pay for that potential. The Pacers can only offer him 4.67mil what means he is probably not returning to Ind and will get more money on the open market. I am guessing he something close to that 3 year 30 million contact. Do the Wolves really want to pay a guy close to 10 million a year hoping he is good. Personally I do not, I would rather just pay Prince that money instead a proven NBA rotation player. You would call the Wolves offseason a A+ if they added Smith and Hartienstien and more than likely they will make close to 18 million a year combined. Personally I don't know if the wolves get really any better because with no context Prince is better Hartienstien and Smith. (Obviously with those bigs probably are a bigger need for the Wolves but they are not starting caliber bigs in my opinion).

Once again Smith might end up really good, I am not sure but I don't want to pay to find out if he is good because it is going to be the majority of the MLE if not all the MLE to add him and he might not be a rotation NBA player, I mean the best team in the West didn't think he was worth 4.5 million a year. I just don't want to pay good money for just potential.

Kek, Jalen Smith looked really good last year after getting steady minutes. I followed him closely. He was taken 10th overall in a pretty good draft and he was one of the bigs I liked the most (more so than Toppin). He has so much more upside than Taurean Prince, who seems to have plateaued into a backup rotational player. I really want to upgrade Prince as I don't think he's a rotational player on a championship caliber team. I'll take high upside guys all day over proven mediocrity. I absolutely want Jalen Smith here given his youth and talent. I am also a huge Hartenstein fan and probably want him even a bit more as I think he'd be a great young player to add. So yeah, A+ if we get Hartenstein and Jalen Smith. And we don't have to agree, but that's my take.

Zach Lowe suggested a Dlo and two top 3 protected 1st round picks for Dejonte Murray trade. Murry is now posting cryptic eye emojis on Twitter, probably nothing but interesting to think about.

KG4Ever wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:Kek, I agree Capela wouldn't get completely played off the floor (like Drummond or Steven Adams for example), but I just can't see him and KAT sharing the floor in crunch time. That's where I get a little stuck. Do we really want to pay a guy $20M per year if he can't be out there in the last 7 minutes of close games? May be he could be used as a defensive sub in those situations?

It all comes down to what we'd have to give up to get him. I'm with Cam on the fact that he solves a couple of big problems for us. It just may come at a steep price.

Ya once again it comes at the asking price. I just don't think there is a great solution for putting a big next to Kat what is realistic.

Like Capela fixes rebounding, defense and a rim running big but can't space the floor and might be unplayable down the stretch of big because of FT shooting

Turner can space the floor and would allow us to play drop coverage more but he is injury prone not that good of a shooter and is a terrible rebounder for a big

Drummond, Hartenstien, Nurkic I think all can provide something in the regular season and would be a plus but I do think all 3 are almost unplayble in the playoffs guarding on the perimeter. So I don't know how much cap space I want put guys who I don't think will make any difference in the post season.

Jalen Smith is young but I don't want to pay him to find out if he is ok or not. Like go on Indiana Message boards they think he sucks. Now in theory he might be based on skill set but he has been a terrible NBA guy his 1st 2 years in the league. He might develop into something because he is still young but I don't think I want to pay him to find out.

Mo Bamba is just a better Jalen Smith. He is an NBA player but he is a replacement level NBA Center who still has good upside but the price it is going to take to make him a wolf I think is way to much to bank on potential. I like Bamba but once again I don't want to pay big money on potential.

I think the Wolves are in the weird spot of they need a big big man but no option is perfect. Like the FA are not playoff players and the guys that could be traded for have big flaws. I just don't know the solution because whoever the Wolves add I don't know if they are playing the last 5 minutes of a playoff game. Of the names above I think Capela is the only reasonable option and I can see him being in our closing 5 even with the major flaw that he has.

Its a weird spot for the wolves.

I disagree with your take on Jalen Smith. He impressed me both with the Suns and with the Pacers this year. He was in Indiana after they traded away Sabonis, sat Turner out and were doing their tankathon but he stood out among all the bigs that were playing then. Can shoot the threes well, block shots, rebound and score efficiently and it was year 2, so I see improvement ahead. He also had one of the best plus/minus during his stint in Indiana, surpassing Haliburton. By the way, I liked Jalen Smith as a college player and was shocked when he didn't get extended by the Suns after being drafted tenth overall and I think its commonly thought the Suns blundered by not extending him. He recently turned 22 and getting him on a favorable contract is almost like getting a bonus lottery pick. I want him badly. Give me Hartenstein and Smith and I'll grade our offseason, an A+.

According to cleaintheglass.com Jalen Smith lineups had a -1.4 pts per 100 possessions in his stint with Indiana and they couldn't stop a lick defensively when he was on the court (to be fair to him his most common lineup was a Haliburton/Hield/Terry/Birshett what isn't a murders row of talent). Jalen Smith played 22 games with the Pacers where he put up good counting stats for a team in the ultimate tank mode including shooting 37.3% from 3. Is 22 games a big enough sample size on a tanking team to determine if he is good or not because he shot 23.2% from 3 in his 56 career games with the Suns. Then you go to the point where Jalen Smith had his team option declined by the Suns and traded for Craig, so a really good basketball team who needed big man help decided a lottery rookie wasn't worth the money and thought journeymen bigs like Byiumbo and Mcgee were better options and a journeymen wing in Craig was a better option (To be fair to Smith the Suns organization is a super cheap organization so some of it was a lux tax dump.)

At the end of the day Jalen Smith might end up good, he had a decent stint with the Pacers on a tanking team. The issue is the Wolves are going to have to pay for that potential. The Pacers can only offer him 4.67mil what means he is probably not returning to Ind and will get more money on the open market. I am guessing he something close to that 3 year 30 million contact. Do the Wolves really want to pay a guy close to 10 million a year hoping he is good. Personally I do not, I would rather just pay Prince that money instead a proven NBA rotation player. You would call the Wolves offseason a A+ if they added Smith and Hartienstien and more than likely they will make close to 18 million a year combined. Personally I don't know if the wolves get really any better because with no context Prince is better Hartienstien and Smith. (Obviously with those bigs probably are a bigger need for the Wolves but they are not starting caliber bigs in my opinion).

Once again Smith might end up really good, I am not sure but I don't want to pay to find out if he is good because it is going to be the majority of the MLE if not all the MLE to add him and he might not be a rotation NBA player, I mean the best team in the West didn't think he was worth 4.5 million a year. I just don't want to pay good money for just potential.

Kek, Jalen Smith looked really good last year after getting steady minutes. I followed him closely. He was taken 10th overall in a pretty good draft and he was one of the bigs I liked the most (more so than Toppin). He has so much more upside than Taurean Prince, who seems to have plateaued into a backup rotational player. I really want to upgrade Prince as I don't think he's a rotational player on a championship caliber team. I'll take high upside guys all day over proven mediocrity. I absolutely want Jalen Smith here given his youth and talent. I am also a huge Hartenstein fan and probably want him even a bit more as I think he'd be a great young player to add. So yeah, A+ if we get Hartenstein and Jalen Smith. And we don't have to agree, but that's my take.

I agree that Jalen Smith looked good late last season. I liked him coming out of college. He has terrific length for a PF. He's athletic and plays hard. I watched a ton of video of him a few weeks ago when I was focused on free agent bigs. He's a talented player. But like you, Hartenstein is still my top free agency big pick for the Wolves.