Phenom's_Revenge wrote:I honestly see Martin as a trade deadline candidate when teams will be in more of a need for him.
I have to disagree with this. Martin is fine as it is but he is not a difference maker. Add that to his 7m salary for the next 3 years then i dont see a team will be willing to give up a player of value to match salary or assets for him.
For example, adding him to the heat last season wont make them beat the spurs. Add him to the pacers, thunder, bulls or bobcats and they still get bounce when they did. He just wont impact the game.
The best chance of trading him is if he is a complimentary piece in a multi player trade or in his last contract year. Otherwise, your better off keeping him and try to fit his skills to help your team as much as possible. I will be fine if we just keep him for a season or two to be a placeholder until lavine is ready.
Never underestimate teams that have a key injury or are playing below high expectations. I still see Indy as a prime spot if they fall apart without Lance. Then there are the teams that are annually desperate to make trades like Brooklyn. I don't view him as unmovable and feel no desperation to dump him on Cleveland at this time. Besides, at the deadline Martin's deal is essentially a year less.
Going by your example, who would the pacers trade for martin? As ive said, him making 7m a year adds to the difficulty in trading him to a playoff or contending aspiring team. They would have to give up rotation players at the least to get martin and martin has proven throughout his career that he plays to the level of his team and he wont elevate a team with his play. He wont make you worse but he wont impact your team much to make a big difference. As ive cited, add martin to any playoff team last season and they likely end up with the same results.
I actually think martin's best value to us right now is to play for us and be placeholder until lavine is ready to start in a year or two.
Scola, Mahinmi, or Copeland+filler. As I've said, if the Pacers find they are missing the scoring element of Stephenson's perimeter game and could get it back with Martin, they would probably be interested. A Scola and Copeland for Martin and Turiaf works and would get Flip out of Martin's deal if he so desires. CJ Miles will probably put Copeland firmly on the bench and Scola merely splits time with Mahinmi anyway.
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:I honestly see Martin as a trade deadline candidate when teams will be in more of a need for him.
I have to disagree with this. Martin is fine as it is but he is not a difference maker. Add that to his 7m salary for the next 3 years then i dont see a team will be willing to give up a player of value to match salary or assets for him.
For example, adding him to the heat last season wont make them beat the spurs. Add him to the pacers, thunder, bulls or bobcats and they still get bounce when they did. He just wont impact the game.
The best chance of trading him is if he is a complimentary piece in a multi player trade or in his last contract year. Otherwise, your better off keeping him and try to fit his skills to help your team as much as possible. I will be fine if we just keep him for a season or two to be a placeholder until lavine is ready.
Never underestimate teams that have a key injury or are playing below high expectations. I still see Indy as a prime spot if they fall apart without Lance. Then there are the teams that are annually desperate to make trades like Brooklyn. I don't view him as unmovable and feel no desperation to dump him on Cleveland at this time. Besides, at the deadline Martin's deal is essentially a year less.
Going by your example, who would the pacers trade for martin? As ive said, him making 7m a year adds to the difficulty in trading him to a playoff or contending aspiring team. They would have to give up rotation players at the least to get martin and martin has proven throughout his career that he plays to the level of his team and he wont elevate a team with his play. He wont make you worse but he wont impact your team much to make a big difference. As ive cited, add martin to any playoff team last season and they likely end up with the same results.
I actually think martin's best value to us right now is to play for us and be placeholder until lavine is ready to start in a year or two.
Scola, Mahinmi, or Copeland+filler. As I've said, if the Pacers find they are missing the scoring element of Stephenson's perimeter game and could get it back with Martin, they would probably be interested. A Scola and Copeland for Martin and Turiaf works and would get Flip out of Martin's deal if he so desires. CJ Miles will probably put Copeland firmly on the bench and Scola merely splits time with Mahinmi anyway.
You do realize that cj miles is a sg/ sf and copeland is a stretch 4 right? So their minutes dont overlap. Also scola is main backup to west and mahini to hibbert. They dont split time as you said. You need to watch more of the pacers in my view. You take away 2 of scola/mahini and copeland and the pacers lost two rotation bigs and add martin to miles/ stuckey and lose flexibility. Mahini has two more years for us to take with pek and dieng here and the two other are expirings that guves pacers flexibility
Eh... Miles and Copeland are essentially perimeter oriented spot up shooters that sprinkle in some dribble drive game off the catch. I dont see the distinctive difference with position that you see there. Scola averaged 17 mpg and Mahinmi averaged 16 mpg. That is essentially splitting the minutes left behind West and Hibbert. I don't see the one minute separation as anything more than negligible. Mahinmi is only one option but I went with Scola and Copeland for Martin and Turiaf as Ian is more integral to their paint-defense identity and Turiaf can shore up some of those split minutes up front. And if we are going to use semantics of position to debate the deal then Stuckey has little to do with any addition of Martin since he is known mostly as a PG anyway. And maybe you are right that the Pacers would value flexibility over production. That is entirely plausible but my premise has always been based off replacing the offense that Stephenson took with him. They might want that instead. I don't know why that is so outlandish.
Phenom, what about the defense, ball handling and playmaking lance left behind? Martin wont be able to replace any of that. The thing is, martin is not someone teams would look at at the deadline and want to trade for as the missing puece to get them over the hump at the playoffs. Salary eould be a problem.
Guys like granger, davis and even tim thomas of the past got scoot up as they were bought out by their teams. But no playoff team would trade for them because of their salary and thats going to be the case for martin.
You are correct that Martin can't fully replicate what Lance did but if they were strictly looking for perimeter offense, Martin has it. Its not ideal to trade guys they have in their rotation to get him but thats the predicament they put themselves in. Who knows? Maybe they won't miss Lance's offense at all.
Apologies to fellow posters for going off topic with my previous posts..
Now getting back on topic, how about richard jefferson as a floor for wiggins? RJ was a athlteic and defensive minded wing who eventually develop his shooting to become an outside threat as well. Pretty solid player who made the all star team once I think. Played his best when paired with a pass first pg in kidd.
