Wiggins Ceiling and floor?

[Porckchop]

Curious what everyoones opinions on this is.
I could see him being Scottie Pippen 2.0 with a bit more athleticism.

Floor being Lance Stephenson. Always brings the defense but the offense might leave u wanting a bit more. Of course Lance seems to be improving as an allaround player.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Scottie Pippen's the prayer. We could only hope for that to be his ceiling.

Paul George is my realistic ceiling for him.

Trevor Ariza or Harrison Barnes (gasp) is his floor, in my opinion.

If he's anything better than or equal to George, then the Wolves are in very good shape for the future.

(Stephenson's handle and ability to run offensive sets make that comparison a bit off for me. Not to mention mentalities.)

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Ceiling- Top 5 player. I just don't see much of a comparable for him. The best I could guess is a rich man's Paul George as Wiggins will be just as effective defensively, but I think he will end up being a better offensive weapon than George as he is a better athlete with a better looking jumper and has 1 go-to move already in the step back jumper, while it took George several years to be any kind of offensive weapon. George could barely dribble a ball when he came into the league in terms of shot creating abilities and I think he has improved a lot, but it still isn't pretty and he is considered a two-way all-star. I think Wiggins could be a better dribbler as he has some handles at this point, he just doesn't get low enough and isn't strong enough to be considered a good dribbler. Those are two areas where a guy could easily improve with time and coaching.

Floor- Iggy with worse ball handling/shot creating, but better shooting. I think Wiggins is just strength away from being an Iggy like defender, so I think his floor is still an excellent defender. Iggy has always been either an all-star or on the cusp of being an all-star which is where I think Wiggins is if he only ends up being an off-ball scorer who plays great defense. He's already got the instincts as a chase down blocker and his length and hops will give him great recovery ability on defense making life difficult for whoever he is guarding. If his offense never develops on the ball, I think he still ends up a viable second or third scoring option pending you have a guy that can be effective with the ball in his hands either scoring or setting up his teammates.

I truly believe Wiggins' floor is still being an all-star or on the brink of being an all-star because he is going to be a lockdown defender as soon as he fills out his frame and he has an offensive game that can get you points even if they mostly have to come off the ball. Given the way Lavine's game looks, I think they could work very well together and Ricky setting them both up seems like a great starting point to rebuild this team. I think his ceiling is a true superstar if he ever develops the ability to create a shot off the dribble beyond a step back jumper. I don't think he has to be a creator for others to be considered elite as long as he can be a lockdown guy at the same time as being a guy who can get his own shot. I think his shot has the fundamentals to be a high 30's to low 40's% 3pt shooter which will just open everything up going to the rim for him.

To be realistic though, I think it will take him 3-4 years to fill out his frame and tighten up his game to the point where I would be comfortable saying the guy we would be watching at that point is who he is going to be.

[Porckchop]

Im just thinking that being the number one pick in the best draft in 10 years gives us hope that he can be Scottie. I dont think its that outlandish , however unlikely. Most number ones turn in to pretty darn good players.

[Porckchop]

Ceiling- Top 5 player. I just don't see much of a comparable for him. The best I could guess is a rich man's Paul George as Wiggins will be just as effective defensively, but I think he will end up being a better offensive weapon than George as he is a better athlete with a better looking jumper and has 1 go-to move already in the step back jumper, while it took George several years to be any kind of offensive weapon. George could barely dribble a ball when he came into the league in terms of shot creating abilities and I think he has improved a lot, but it still isn't pretty and he is considered a two-way all-star. I think Wiggins could be a better dribbler as he has some handles at this point, he just doesn't get low enough and isn't strong enough to be considered a good dribbler. Those are two areas where a guy could easily improve with time and coaching.

Floor- Iggy with worse ball handling/shot creating, but better shooting. I think Wiggins is just strength away from being an Iggy like defender, so I think his floor is still an excellent defender. Iggy has always been either an all-star or on the cusp of being an all-star which is where I think Wiggins is if he only ends up being an off-ball scorer who plays great defense. He's already got the instincts as a chase down blocker and his length and hops will give him great recovery ability on defense making life difficult for whoever he is guarding. If his offense never develops on the ball, I think he still ends up a viable second or third scoring option pending you have a guy that can be effective with the ball in his hands either scoring or setting up his teammates.

I truly believe Wiggins' floor is still being an all-star or on the brink of being an all-star because he is going to be a lockdown defender as soon as he fills out his frame and he has an offensive game that can get you points even if they mostly have to come off the ball. Given the way Lavine's game looks, I think they could work very well together and Ricky setting them both up seems like a great starting point to rebuild this team. I think his ceiling is a true superstar if he ever develops the ability to create a shot off the dribble beyond a step back jumper. I don't think he has to be a creator for others to be considered elite as long as he can be a lockdown guy at the same time as being a guy who can get his own shot. I think his shot has the fundamentals to be a high 30's to low 40's% 3pt shooter which will just open everything up going to the rim for him.

To be realistic though, I think it will take him 3-4 years to fill out his frame and tighten up his game to the point where I would be comfortable saying the guy we would be watching at that point is who he is going to be.

If he ends up being a top five player in a league with Durant and Lebron Id say Scottie is a pretty fair comparison. Imo

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I don't see how Scottie is really a comparable though. The point of comparables is to say if Player A hits his ceiling, he will play exactly like Scottie or the closest thing to Scottie there is. Scottie averaged 5 assists a game for his career (was in the 7-8 range during his really good years) and was a legitimate creator for others with the ball in his hands. I don't ever see Wiggins being a legitimate creator for others. Scottie was also never much of a 3 point shooter only having a few seasons in his career shooting better than 35% from 3. Wiggins will be mostly a jump shooter whereas Scottie was mostly everything but a jump shooter. If I had to really compare him to someone, his game is going to look like Ray Allen's with worse shooting percentages. A lot of screen action and not a lot of creating for others. Defensively he could look like Scottie, but I think they are borderline polar opposites for offensive play style.

[Porckchop]

I dont see Wiggins relying heavily on the three point shot to get his points. With his athleticism he he should be able to shoot in the 48% range which is where I believe Pippen had to be for his career. No player will be a perfect comparison to another. But I see a guy that can play good to great defense while finding multiple ways to score. Especially with Ricky as his pg he shouldnt have to rely on the deep ball.

[ace [enjin:6598567]]

Wiggins was the 1st pick in the deepest draft in years, but not the draft with the most elite talent. He also would have been the 3rd pick if Embiid didn't break his foot.

I don't have a direct player comparison for his ceiling. Something like the 2014 Finals Kawhi Leonard. Lockdown defender, good rebounder, but doesn't create a lot. Can put up big numbers if given the ball in the right spots, but won't be able to score at will like LeBron/Durant/Jordan/Kobe.

Floor would be out of the league in 6 years. Tiny chance it happens, but possible. Realistically, I'd say Jimmy Butler. Very good defender and an inconsistent shooter.

[worldK]

Wiggins ceiling would be paul george. Im tempted to say kawhi leonard but we dont know how good leonard can still be. I think he is more similar to leonard but george is a good ceiling for him for now as george is more of a finish product.

His floor will be rudy gay. I cant see wiggins being worse than gay. Both have same size and are both elite athletes who have similar go to moves from the m id range.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

If Wiggins' handle ever gets as good as Gay's is, we're in really good shape. Doubt his defense is ever like Gay's, though.