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Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:51 am
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
Camden wrote:Very quietly, Ricky shot 36.1-percent from three last season albeit on low volume. With the league average three-point percentage being 35.8-percent last season you could argue that Rubio is now an above average shooter. Who saw that coming?
He's been at 35% plus in two out of the last three seasons.
Of course he never broached that mark as a Timberwolf - only after he left our franchise. THE CURSE CONTINUES!
(I still think we would have been better off keeping Ricky over Teague. Teague was such a horrible fit for us in my opinion and clearly didn't want to be there based on how indifferently he played 75% of the time).
Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:54 am
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
Hicks123 wrote:So here is my take. There are guys in college that shoot well from 3, but you can see have limited range potential (i.e. Okogie). In games during college, you can see he stays very near the line to take and make his 3's. In watching some old highlights, he got a little wonky on some longer shots (1 highlight had him banking in an NBA level 3).
This is why I like Haliburton so much. While he has that weird set shot, it looks the same from the college 3, or when he steps back well beyond NBA 3. In watching highlights, he takes and makes a ton of 3's from a good 3-5 feet behind the college 3 point line. This to me shows a guy that will be able to immediately adapt to shooting NBA 3's at a successful rate. I would venture to guess that the elite 3 point guys showed this type of range while in college as well. You also see it from a couple other guys in this draft in Nesmith and Terry.
That's a fair assessment, but still, he's a full-time paid professional and he can't manage to shoot better than 30% after two full seasons in the league and tons of practice!? If he's got such a great foundation, it shouldn't be THAT hard to become at least passable. Again, nearly any other franchise and he's knocking down those open 3's above the break at a 33%+ clip. I guarantee it.
Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:06 pm
by Coolbreeze44
I think back in the 90's it wasn't as important for wings to be good scorers. Today I feel it's a must. Like most I like Culver's defense, but is it enough? The best defensive trait to have today is the ability to switch onto smaller and larger players. If you can do that your offense doesn't have to be great, but there is such a premium on scoring today. It's the reason adding Booker as a third star doesn't scare me too much. The ability to go on long scoring runs overcomes some defensive deficiency.
Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:06 pm
by BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]
Q do you have a chart with wolves shooting percentages pre, during, and post wolves tenure? That would be entertaining and/or depressing. Can you give us a short list?
Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:44 pm
by thedoper
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I think back in the 90's it wasn't as important for wings to be good scorers. Today I feel it's a must. Like most I like Culver's defense, but is it enough? The best defensive trait to have today is the ability to switch onto smaller and larger players. If you can do that your offense doesn't have to be great, but there is such a premium on scoring today. It's the reason adding Booker as a third star doesn't scare me too much. The ability to go on long scoring runs overcomes some defensive deficiency.
No its not enough. You need scoring. Also, it wasnt like Culver's D was some sort of revelation. He plays nice positioning and has quick hands, but lacks strength relative to size. Great defenders make an immediate team impact, Culver showed flashes of a good defender.
Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:25 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
BizarroJerry wrote:Q do you have a chart with wolves shooting percentages pre, during, and post wolves tenure? That would be entertaining and/or depressing. Can you give us a short list?
Heh, nothing quite that elaborate, but basically 80% of our draft picks/young prospects over the past decade or so were competent college shooters that basically devolved as shooters with the Wolves:
Corey Brewer
Wes Johnson
Derrick Williams
Andrew Wiggins
Anthony Bennett
Kris Dunn
Josh Okogie
Keita Bates-Diop
Jarrett Culver
Jaylen Nowell (showed promise in G-league, but couldn't buy a bucket in the NBA)
I mean, really!? We couldn't turn one of these effing 34%+ college 3-pt shooters into a 34% or better pro shooter. Not one!?
KAT, Love, and LaVine might be our only success stories over the past decade when it comes to outside shooting developed from within the franchise. But that's about it. Pathetic.
Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:30 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Jordan McLaughlin shot 38.2 percent from three with the Wolves. It won't be long before he's in Q's success story column. 8)
Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:47 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
Q12543 wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:Q do you have a chart with wolves shooting percentages pre, during, and post wolves tenure? That would be entertaining and/or depressing. Can you give us a short list?
Heh, nothing quite that elaborate, but basically 80% of our draft picks/young prospects over the past decade or so were competent college shooters that basically devolved as shooters with the Wolves:
Corey Brewer
Wes Johnson
Derrick Williams
Andrew Wiggins
Anthony Bennett
Kris Dunn
Josh Okogie
Keita Bates-Diop
Jarrett Culver
Jaylen Nowell (showed promise in G-league, but couldn't buy a bucket in the NBA)
I mean, really!? We couldn't turn one of these effing 34%+ college 3-pt shooters into a 34% or better pro shooter. Not one!?
KAT, Love, and LaVine might be our only success stories over the past decade when it comes to outside shooting developed from within the franchise. But that's about it. Pathetic.
The one silver lining is that there isn't a ton of players who suddenly figured it out after they left the Wolves.
Now... that could mean the Wolves destroyed them forever... or that the team just drafts really poorly more often than not. Either way, not great.
Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:47 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
Camden wrote:Jordan McLaughlin shot 38.2 percent from three with the Wolves. It won't be long before he's in Q's success story column. 8)
I will bet my Robbie Hummel-signed restraining order framed in my bedroom that JMac's 3pt% goes down next season. Book it!!!
Re: More trade speculation
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:50 pm
by Monster
Q12543 wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:Q do you have a chart with wolves shooting percentages pre, during, and post wolves tenure? That would be entertaining and/or depressing. Can you give us a short list?
Heh, nothing quite that elaborate, but basically 80% of our draft picks/young prospects over the past decade or so were competent college shooters that basically devolved as shooters with the Wolves:
Corey Brewer
Wes Johnson
Derrick Williams
Andrew Wiggins
Anthony Bennett
Kris Dunn
Josh Okogie
Keita Bates-Diop
Jarrett Culver
Jaylen Nowell (showed promise in G-league, but couldn't buy a bucket in the NBA)
I mean, really!? We couldn't turn one of these effing 34%+ college 3-pt shooters into a 34% or better pro shooter. Not one!?
KAT, Love, and LaVine might be our only success stories over the past decade when it comes to outside shooting developed from within the franchise. But that's about it. Pathetic.
Dieng would qualify as a 3 point development success.
Fun stat Bennett only played 1 season with the Wolves and it was his highest percentage of his career. :)