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CoolBreeze44 wrote:We cut a guy who clearly should be starting. You can't make this up anymore.


Lol. Cool - I think you captured my thinking better than anyone. Watching Gersson's moves makes me feel like Alice must have felt when she fell down the rabbit hole. It's almost surreal. As you said, you can't even make this stuff up.
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Juan Hernangomez: $6,493,000

[s]Rondae Hollis-Jefferson: $1,882,867[/s]


Make it make sense. Gersson Rosas just couldn't help himself.
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How to run a successful NBA franchise 101:

Step 1: Watch what the Timberwolves do.
Step 2: Do the opposite.
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Kaminsky was just released by the Kings. Just sayin' ;-)

This forum is like a tinderbox, looking for any little spark to set it off. Oh well. It doesn't bother me, life goes on, as do the Wolves.
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Camden0916 wrote:
WildWolf2813 wrote:If they're releasing him to have the flexibility to eventually convert McLaughlin, that's what you guys wanted more than RHJ. If RHJ was getting any sort of PT, then something went terribly wrong.

No surprise this forum is crying over the release of a 15th man on a nonguaranteed deal. The reaction here would be less harsh if he cut Towns.


1. They already had that flexibility with Jordan McLaughlin by getting him to sign his qualifying offer and stay as a two-way player. There's no 45-day limit for two-way players this season. Travel days and practices won't be counted towards active days. He will be able to be active for up to 50 games. The Wolves could simply re-sign him next summer on a NBA deal, assuming he plays well this season.

2. Some of us, myself included, wanted Rondae Hollis-Jefferson on the roster even if it meant waiving Jaylen Nowell in the process. Nowell is definitely an intriguing talent, but that's how big the hole in the frontcourt is. Instead, McLaughlin accepted his two-way deal meaning the Wolves could have kept all three.

3. Nobody on this forum, or in sports media for that matter, viewed Hollis-Jefferson as a 15th-man on this roster. He was quite clearly a rotation-level player and the best four on this roster with an argument to be a starter.

Care to try again?


Yeah they got McLaughlin back that's all that matters now. I think Wildwolf might have something to consider though. Maybe the Wolves will end up converting McLaughlin at some point this season of they have a roster spot. It's something to keep a look out for. I certainly don't think that's what waiving RHJ is about but I hadn't thought about a later converting to a regular nba deal J-Mac as an option. I'm still shocked he ended up back as a 2-way guy.

My only quibble is you are basically saying nobody considered RHJ a 15th player. Let's see if there are teams rushing to add him to the roster. Personally I simply don't know why he didn't have better offers (like your later post in this thread of the price difference between him and Jauncho) but until I see some team pick him up the market and the league seems to view him less favorably than we do. John Hollinger is likely going to have to rewrite his Wolves prediction piece now. Lol

Edit: I really do wonder if the Wolves bring RHJ back in a while. It's a different mechanation but it's kinda of like when NFL teams let go of the vet because if they are on the roster to start the season their salary is guaranteed then they sign them a couple weeks later and the salary isn't guaranteed. The Vikings did that at least one season with Brett Jones and then this year they went even farther and had him on the practice squad. With RHJ even having him unsigned for even a couple weeks could save them a decent chunk of money.

Again this is in the weeds stuff not suggesting that the Wolves are some geniuses just trying to make some sense of things.
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monsterpile wrote:
Camden0916 wrote:
WildWolf2813 wrote:If they're releasing him to have the flexibility to eventually convert McLaughlin, that's what you guys wanted more than RHJ. If RHJ was getting any sort of PT, then something went terribly wrong.

No surprise this forum is crying over the release of a 15th man on a nonguaranteed deal. The reaction here would be less harsh if he cut Towns.


1. They already had that flexibility with Jordan McLaughlin by getting him to sign his qualifying offer and stay as a two-way player. There's no 45-day limit for two-way players this season. Travel days and practices won't be counted towards active days. He will be able to be active for up to 50 games. The Wolves could simply re-sign him next summer on a NBA deal, assuming he plays well this season.

2. Some of us, myself included, wanted Rondae Hollis-Jefferson on the roster even if it meant waiving Jaylen Nowell in the process. Nowell is definitely an intriguing talent, but that's how big the hole in the frontcourt is. Instead, McLaughlin accepted his two-way deal meaning the Wolves could have kept all three.

3. Nobody on this forum, or in sports media for that matter, viewed Hollis-Jefferson as a 15th-man on this roster. He was quite clearly a rotation-level player and the best four on this roster with an argument to be a starter.

Care to try again?


Yeah they got McLaughlin back that's all that matters now. I think Wildwolf might have something to consider though. Maybe the Wolves will end up converting McLaughlin at some point this season of they have a roster spot. It's something to keep a look out for. I certainly don't think that's what waiving RHJ is about but I hadn't thought about a later converting to a regular nba deal J-Mac as an option. I'm still shocked he ended up back as a 2-way guy.

My only quibble is you are basically saying nobody considered RHJ a 15th player. Let's see if there are teams rushing to add him to the roster. Personally I simply don't know why he didn't have better offers (like your later post in this thread of the price difference between him and Jauncho) but until I see some team pick him up the market and the league seems to view him less favorably than we do. John Hollinger is likely going to have to rewrite his Wolves prediction piece now. Lol


The Wolves are guaranteed 50-games of Jordan McLaughlin this year on his two-way deal. There is no reason to convert him to a NBA deal this year unless it's a show of faith or an "atta boy" that could have instead been shown on his next contract that theoretically comes next summer.

Also, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson had a handful of offers -- some with guaranteed money -- that he turned down in order to sign with Minnesota. He likely thought he could carve out significant playing time with the Wolves and then retest free agency. I'd bet there were other teams that could certainly use his services, but just don't have the space under the luxury threshold or an open roster spot to take him in.

Let me emphasize that Hollis-Jefferson was a rotation player last year on the second-seed Toronto Raptors. He played the ninth-most minutes on that team just behind Marc Gasol for eighth. You mean to tell me that he suddenly went from a nightly contributor on a conference contender to not good enough to make the Timberwolves roster? Unbelievable.
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Maybe Hollis-Jefferson wanted out after spending time around this franchise...

... That would be the only thing that would make sense with this move.
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How shrewd was giving up a second rounder (potentially in double draft year) for Ed Davis? Rosas is on another level of genius.
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Speechless. We cut a guy who is clearly the best pf on the team. Best bigman defender on a team with poor defending bigs. He is making minimum money. Had a good preseason run as well.

The other options at pf is layman, juancho and vanderbilt. WTF.
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Camden0916 wrote:
WildWolf2813 wrote:If they're releasing him to have the flexibility to eventually convert McLaughlin, that's what you guys wanted more than RHJ. If RHJ was getting any sort of PT, then something went terribly wrong.

No surprise this forum is crying over the release of a 15th man on a nonguaranteed deal. The reaction here would be less harsh if he cut Towns.


1. They already had that flexibility with Jordan McLaughlin by getting him to sign his qualifying offer and stay as a two-way player. There's no 45-day limit for two-way players this season. Travel days and practices won't be counted towards active days. He will be able to be active for up to 50 games. The Wolves could simply re-sign him next summer on a NBA deal, assuming he plays well this season.

2. Some of us, myself included, wanted Rondae Hollis-Jefferson on the roster even if it meant waiving Jaylen Nowell in the process. Nowell is definitely an intriguing talent, but that's how big the hole in the frontcourt is. Instead, McLaughlin accepted his two-way deal meaning the Wolves could have kept all three.

3. Nobody on this forum, or in sports media for that matter, viewed Hollis-Jefferson as a 15th-man on this roster. He was quite clearly a rotation-level player and the best four on this roster with an argument to be a starter.

Care to try again?

1. McLaughlin on the regular roster is more likely to wanna come back next season after everything that has happened than if he's on a two way deal the entire season alongside basically a younger version of him in Ashton Hagans. It's cool that JMac is here, but at the end of the day his checks are bigger on the regular roster than on a two way, so if nothing materializes on the trade front, he'll probably get his deal converted anyway.


2. I'd love to have a true 4 here. But man, it's as if you guys do not wanna comprehend everything Rosas has said about how this team is gonna be built and how they wanna try this. Now he has a healthy team in place and y'all are crying for Rosas to become the most pointless person in the organization because you disagree with his philosophy. For the next 2 years he's not gonna change how he thinks until it fails on the court. Deal with it or fire up that Netflix account. I've said from the beginning I don't agree with this and I don't think this five out, 1-3-1 stuff will work, but I also don't expect him to pivot off his plan before it's implemented. The difference between me and some of you guys is that I don't think it will work, but you guys don't even want it to pan out. Him being right would disappoint you guys as much as him going back on his word and upending the roster would.


3. For someone who's this rotational player, he was available on a nonguaranteed deal and they're of the belief that they can bring him back! If he signs somewhere he's gonna go somewhere where he'll be what he should be here: a fringe rotation guy at best. We're crying about a fringe rotation guy, even if it's at a position of need. Until one of Vanderbilt/McDaniels pans out down the road, either deal with Juancho /Layman/3rd wing at the 4 while Towns gets himself together or stop investing so much emotion into something you don't even believe in. This team isn't good for our health, so take a step back and make them earn your emotion back. This team isn't worth our time.
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