KG Effect on Wolves coaching situation

[SameOldNudityDrew]

Any chance we could get the Mayor to coach here?

"Iowa State has seven players averaging at least two 3's a game. They are 2nd in the Big 12 in 3PA's a game (20.2) and 3p% (38.5%). There's just no way to guard them - they spread the defense so far apart that there are massive driving lanes for Niang and Morris on every possession. Most importantly, Hoiberg gives everyone on the roster the freedom to be aggressive and look for their own shot, a marked contrast to many college coaches who want to micromanage every single possession."

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/236972/How-Iowa-State-Can-Make-A-Final-Four-Run

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Hoiberg is not coming here guys. One, he's pretty much a god at Iowa, so he has no rush to leave anytime soon. Second, if he did decide to come up, he's going to be one of the hottest candidates out there, and as much as we tout our young core, if the Thunder, Bulls, Wizards, or some other job comes up, those are much better options for him.

Same thing with Thibs. If the Bulls were dumb enough to let him go, he's going to have his pick of jobs, my guess is he would want to coach a team in the playoff hunt.

To those also who want a different system, consider this. Flip has pretty much made his style his coaching philosophy for the however many years he's been coaching. He's not going to go and hire a coach that has the opposite beliefs as he does. If you agree or not, it doesn't matter, Flip thinks his way works, and that's what he's going to look for in his next coach.

And yes Sam Mitchell is going to be the next coach. Taylor loves him, KG raves about how he was so influential in his career, and it's someone in the "country club" that isn't going to fight Flip on anything.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Damn it alex.




[note: i agree with you completely on this.]

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Damn it alex.




[note: i agree with you completely on this.]

It's the 7 stages of grief. We're at bargaining right now. I'm just trying to get people to acceptance

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Hoiberg will coach the Wolves someday. It isn't a question of "if", it's a question of "when".

There's no doubt that Fred is living his dream in Ames, and he has had and continues to have great success there. And ISU is paying him as much as they possibly can...$2.6 million per year. But there are a number of reasons his next job will be three hours north of Ames on !-35.

1) Glen loves Fred, and Fred loves Glen. I belonged to a well-known downtown sports-related breakfast group for several years (dropped it when I moved to LA), and Glen would speak to us a couple times a year. More often than not, he brought Freddy along with him, both when Fred was a player and when he moved into the front office. There is a bond between them that is almost father/son like.

2) The Wolves are a country club, and everyone always comes home. Come on guys, if we know anything , we know that!

3) While Fred is well-compensated at ISU, he will be paid twice as much working for Glen. That's 2.6 million compelling reasons to move north.

4) Most young college coaches aspire to eventually move up to the NBA once they have achieved what they want to achieve at the college level. It's a natural job progression for a confident, ambitious young man...and make no mistake, the Mayor is a confident, ambitious young man.

5) While the Wolves are not a playoff team now, they are a very attractive destination for a young coach. Anyone who listened to the TV guys gushing about our young talent during All Star weekend knows this. A confident guy like Freddy has to be drooling when he thinks of what he could do with these guys.

6) The Hoibergs spend most of their summer at a summer cabin north of Mpls. Well, all the Hoibergs other than Fred, who is on the road all summer watching AAU basketball...a fact of life for a college coach. Which leads me to...

7) Being a college coach is exhausting and has much more to do with sucking up to prima donna's moms than it does with basketball. While there are some coaches who can win a title with non-stud players, generally NCAA titles are won in the summer, not in March. No matter what they say, no college coach likes recruiting. It's all about airports, being away from your family, 90 degree gyms, bad food and sitting on torn sofas talking to moms with the TV blaring in the background. NBA coaches, on the other hand, get the summer off.

8) The Hoibergs have lived in Minneapolis, and so can contrast it with Ames. Do you think Mama Hoiberg likes the shopping in Mpls. or Ames better? How about the restaurants, or the culture? Mama spends a lot of time without Fred, and she is going to have a say in where she wants to spend her alone time.

It's crazy talk to argue that Fred is going to continue to choose Ames over the big city. Fred going back to Ames is a charming story that the media loved, and I do believe it was a move he had to make. But it's temporary. I think the biggest issue is the kids, and actually maybe this summer is the best time for them to make the move. It might not be popular with their 15-year-old son (although he probably still has lots of old friends in Eden Prairie too), but their oldest graduates from high school in a couple months, and the twins are very movable at age 11.

I don't know for sure, but I'm fairly certain that Glen made a run at Hoiberg last summer, and it makes sense that Fred would have turned him down after getting the nice pay bump and to allow his daughter to enjoy her senior year. I look for Glen to try to make it happen again this summer, and for Fred to accept this time.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

It might not even be a question of Iowa State University vs Minnesota Timberwolves.

It might actually be Minnesota Timberwolves vs Chicago Bulls vs Oklahoma City Thunder vs New Orleans Pelicans, etc.

That's the bigger issue. I think most of us agree that Hoiberg will eventually make the leap to the NBA to be a head coach, but is he THAT loyal to this franchise that he would do so instead of taking current playoff teams under his control? Who knows...

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

It might not even be a question of Iowa State University vs Minnesota Timberwolves.

It might actually be Minnesota Timberwolves vs Chicago Bulls vs Oklahoma City Thunder vs New Orleans Pelicans, etc.

That's the bigger issue. I think most of us agree that Hoiberg will eventually make the leap to the NBA to be a head coach, but is he THAT loyal to this franchise that he would do so instead of taking current playoff teams under his control? Who knows...

Yes, Hoiberg will make the leap for sure...he's a smart guy, and he's not going to pass on close to the $3 million a year more he can make away from Ames. Especially if it means he can spend more time with his own family and less time with recruits' families!

So you're correct, Cam, that if Glen wants Fred, his competition this time is going to be other NBA teams. And I think he has a huge sales advantage here. Fred is a family guy, and he's not likely to uproot his family for an unattractive location like OkC or New Orleans. Chicago could be more competition if they get rid of Thibs, but I still think there are more compelling reasons to choose the known over the unknown. As I said above, his 15-year-old probably wasn't happy when his parents said to him 4 years ago "Pack up your stuff...we're moving to Ames!" He had to leave his buddies to move to a town that didn't seem nearly as interesting. He likely has made new friends in Ames, and won't want to leave just as his high school experience is beginning...unless his parents propose a move back to Eden Prairie where he still has friends he probably Facebooks with all the time. I know this is a basketball board, but I think we are unaware that there are often non-basketball reasons for a coach to make a decision...especially for a family oriented guy like Fred.

Actually Freddy might decide this is the best move or him too. Nobody is going to give him more rope than Papa Glen, so he will have much more job security than with any other team where he's not considered "family". And even though Chicago is much more ready to challenge for a championship than the Wolves, it's not like the Wolves aren't an intriguing team to coach with all their young talent...with one more to come in the draft.

Glen will pay more and offer better job security, and Minneapolis is a much better option for the Hoiberg family, I honestly can't see Fred considering another option if he's ready to leave Ames and Glen wants him.

[zigzag22 [enjin:6591633]]

The Celtics lured Brad Stevens to Boston for less money and less of a roster than Glen could offer Freddy....

Add that in with everything longstrangetrip said (GREAT post btw), and it's hard NOT to think it's a matter of when, not if.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

How in the world are OKC and NO "unattractive" options and Minnesota is?

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

How in the world are OKC and NO "unattractive" options and Minnesota is?

I mentioned OkC and NO being unattractive options from a family standpoint. Every year, Mpls. and suburbs rank very high in the rankings for best places to live, while NO and OkC rank near the bottom. Here's just one example:

http://www.businessinsider.com/best-suburbs-in-america-2014-9#45-kasson-minnesota-6

If you scroll through the 50 top suburbs, you'll find five Mpls. suburbs and one that is within a couple hours, including the one where the Hoibergs lived when they were here. Now search for Oklahoma or Louisiana suburbs on the best 50 list. (Spoiler alert...there aren't any).

BTW, Ames, Iowa often appears in best places to live lists too. I can't see a guy like Fred uprooting his kids to a hellhole like NO or OkC.