Next year's coach

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Im ready to move on from flip as well. I wasnt a fan of him becoming our coach at the beginning. But then i realize that he may indeed be the best option for us this season especially when the injuries started early in the season. Imagine if joerger did accept the job this season and we where hit with all these injuries, he would have been miserable and some here would be calling for him to get fired. So flip coaching this season might indeed be the best option.

But this season also exposes flip's weakness as coach. His style is outdated and the team play no defense. Its time for a new coach and hopefully a healthy season for us next season.

Hoiberg would be my top choice. I also hope we bring in a new lead assistant of fred's choosing and fred gets to name a new staff or two to work with. If we end up only replacing flip as coach and keep the same set of assistants, then we are not likely going to be successful.
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Anyone else catch the 30 for 30 on Laettner? Seeing Sidney Lowe on that made me think why is he an assistant with us after the poor jobs he did with us and then NC State? Seriously he needed to go. Anyone else think Adelman's big man coach did a good job for us? I wouldn't ind him coming back as an assistant, but would leave it up to the head coach to make out his roster. I hope Flip wouldn't try to force Ryan and David on his staff.
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bleedspeed177 wrote:Anyone else catch the 30 for 30 on Laettner? Seeing Sidney Lowe on that made me think why is he an assistant with us after the poor jobs he did with us and then NC State? Seriously he needed to go. Anyone else think Adelman's big man coach did a good job for us? I wouldn't ind him coming back as an assistant, but would leave it up to the head coach to make out his roster. I hope Flip wouldn't try to force Ryan and David on his staff.


Ryan and David are good assistant coaches low on the totem pole. I would hope they would be the carry over coaches to continue to grow with the organization. You don't throw out good coaches just because they weren't picked by you initially. Kahn almost traded Love just because he didn't draft him, but luckily Kevin became a player before that could happen.
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Flip is so full of shit. McPherson just tweeted a quote from Flip saying the players are choosing to take the long two's because they are more comfortable with that shot than 3's. He said he doesn't run plays to get certain shots (i.e. 3's), but that he runs plays to get his guys comfortable shots. He also says you can't win a title designing plays to get 3 point looks. He then goes on to fully spout diarrhea out of his mouth talking about contested 3's not being good shots because of the fast break points they give up when the shot misses and the contester cherry picks an easy lay up. His head is so far up his ass it's unbelievable. You don't have to live and die by advanced stats but you are doing your organization a tremendous disservice when you send them to the kids table.
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khans2k5 wrote:Flip is so full of shit. McPherson just tweeted a quote from Flip saying the players are choosing to take the long two's because they are more comfortable with that shot than 3's. He said he doesn't run plays to get certain shots (i.e. 3's), but that he runs plays to get his guys comfortable shots. He also says you can't win a title designing plays to get 3 point looks. He then goes on to fully spout diarrhea out of his mouth talking about contested 3's not being good shots because of the fast break points they give up when the shot misses and the contester cherry picks an easy lay up. His head is so far up his ass it's unbelievable. You don't have to live and die by advanced stats but you are doing your organization a tremendous disservice when you send them to the kids table.

Here is the link to what he apparently said. https://twitter.com/steventurous/status/580177396252434434

There's plenty of truth in what he said though. Outside of low shot clock/late game situations when do you see teams draw up plays with sole purpose of getting a 3? I agree that contested 3s are not good shots and are usually the result of iso or a low shot clock. It's also logical to correlate contested 3s & fast breaks, which was simply an example, BUT that comes down to the shooter not getting back as well. Just b/c we suck at transition D/preventing fast breaks doesn't mean he's wrong. He's also right about context and I don't see anything about him dismissing stats. The whole picture has to be considered.

Regardless, he didn't mention getting open 3s. He can & should definitely be pushing guys and work with them on getting/taking open 3s. Coaches obviously have some control there b/c we see it with other teams. Teams that shoot a ton of 3s are getting plenty of open looks. Clearly he's not doing enough in that area which is a problem.
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Steve also tweeted out that we are 7th in Fast Break Points allowed so it's not like taking these 2's instead of 3's are helping us limit the opposing team in transition. Also, teams don't design many plays for 3's but they put guys in position to take 3's as the defense is broken down (i.e. they actually hit the man standing in the corner when his man helps on defense). Maybe it's a situation of us not having enough guys who can break down the defense and start the ball movement to get an open 3, but I've seen too many guys pump fake and take a step inside the arc instead of to the side to take the 3. Both are open looks, but one is worth 33% less points. I just don't see a situation where an NBA team loses a game because of transition buckets they give up from taking 3's. It seems pretty fixable to get people back on defense after 3 pt shots go up. It's not a good enough reason to downplay the importance of taking 3's no matter how open or not they are.
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I generally agree although I wouldn't want to force 3s. Coaching needs to emphasis them regardless. Like you said they pump fake and take 2 steps in and take deep 2s instead of the typical side step on the 3 point line.
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I just want to say who would have thought that with all the injuries, losing Love and Flip coaching we would be #2 in FTs attempted this year. I still have to blink to believe its true.
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I'd love Hoiberg as our coach...He knows a thing or three about the value of a 3 point shot (might be a good teacher for that matter).

I didn't see the entire Flip quote, but the 3 point shot is becoming more and more commonplace and important in the NBA. Most of the top teams knock them down with regularity, some even seek them out. One problem with our team seeking them out is that we don't have the knock down shooters required to consistently win with having much of a focus on the 3 ball. Unfortunately, with Pek out, we don't really have the inside presence to dominate the paint either, and the mid-range 2's are not a winning strategy.

My top 3 preferences, in order, would be:
Hoiberg
Thib
Izzo
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Someone mentioned Billups and that's a good point maybe he even comes in as an additional front office person instead of coach. Another guy that makes a little more sense with KG here is Cassell. Flip isn't going to be giving up the reins to Cassell anytime soon but it's still a fun name to bring up. Let's be honest though this team has some talent but it needs 2 more legit young players that can be at least average starters the talent needs to be upgraded. Hopefully we can address one spot in the draft.
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