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Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:38 am

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 12:54 am

TheGrey08 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2026 10:12 pm
Yep. It's another reason a lot of us want Randle gone. He's kinda blocking Jaden offensively. When Randle was out, Jaden hit another gear. Question is, how often would he do that if say Naz was next to him instead of Randle. I'm ready to find out.

Jaden has been here 6 years. Naz has been here 7.

If there was more there and coaching got in the way, Finch should be out of a job.

If there was more there and the front office got in the way, Connelly should be out of a job.

but while the first two may be true, it may just be that Jaden isn't good enough to be that second fiddle because even those type of players don't have to wait for someone else to leave to make a way. You take that spot and make those decisions for the coach and front office.

Jalen Brunson was signed initially to complement Randle. He overtook Randle to the point where nobody could ignore it and it took Brunson physically breaking down to not have gotten to the finals sooner, without Randle. Brunson didn't wait for clearance. Jaden shouldn't have either.

Of course, and it's not like Julius was so good that Jaden stepping up and taking it wasn't possible. It's just complete nonsense to say, oh get rid of Ju so Jaden can step up as a top 2 scorer.

Jaden is doing great in his role. Trying to make him into to someone in a different role is foolish. He's great as a elite defensive wing who can also score a bit, he's already successful!!! Don't try and change him into a more of scorer who then is probably more tired and can't defend at the same level. Makes no sense. Keep the main thing the main thing.

I'm not saying he shouldn't try and expand his game at all. He for sure can improve on passing, handling and overall offense. But it's not what he's great at so I wouldn't risk taking away from his primary role to hope he becomes a player with too much on his plate. Asking him to be the number 2 scorer and number 1 or 2 defender just seems unrealistic. How many guys can carry that load in the NBA? That list is super short, even in the history of the NBA. Think about it. Guys have to play their roles and play to their strengths. Its a team game.

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 10:44 am

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:38 am

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 12:54 am
Jaden has been here 6 years. Naz has been here 7.

If there was more there and coaching got in the way, Finch should be out of a job.

If there was more there and the front office got in the way, Connelly should be out of a job.

but while the first two may be true, it may just be that Jaden isn't good enough to be that second fiddle because even those type of players don't have to wait for someone else to leave to make a way. You take that spot and make those decisions for the coach and front office.

Jalen Brunson was signed initially to complement Randle. He overtook Randle to the point where nobody could ignore it and it took Brunson physically breaking down to not have gotten to the finals sooner, without Randle. Brunson didn't wait for clearance. Jaden shouldn't have either.

Of course, and it's not like Julius was so good that Jaden stepping up and taking it wasn't possible. It's just complete nonsense to say, oh get rid of Ju so Jaden can step up as a top 2 scorer.

Jaden is doing great in his role. Trying to make him into to someone in a different role is foolish. He's great as a elite defensive wing who can also score a bit, he's already successful!!! Don't try and change him into a more of scorer who then is probably more tired and can't defend at the same level. Makes no sense. Keep the main thing the main thing.

I'm not saying he shouldn't try and expand his game at all. He for sure can improve on passing, handling and overall offense. But it's not what he's great at so I wouldn't risk taking away from his primary role to hope he becomes a player with too much on his plate. Asking him to be the number 2 scorer and number 1 or 2 defender just seems unrealistic. How many guys can carry that load in the NBA? That list is super short, even in the history of the NBA. Think about it. Guys have to play their roles and play to their strengths. Its a team game.

You're absolutely right. Because you're right, when the team mentions their core as Ant, JMac. Naz and Beringer, I have every right to say that core isn't good enough.

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:38 am

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 12:54 am

TheGrey08 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2026 10:12 pm
Yep. It's another reason a lot of us want Randle gone. He's kinda blocking Jaden offensively. When Randle was out, Jaden hit another gear. Question is, how often would he do that if say Naz was next to him instead of Randle. I'm ready to find out.

Jaden has been here 6 years. Naz has been here 7.

If there was more there and coaching got in the way, Finch should be out of a job.

If there was more there and the front office got in the way, Connelly should be out of a job.

but while the first two may be true, it may just be that Jaden isn't good enough to be that second fiddle because even those type of players don't have to wait for someone else to leave to make a way. You take that spot and make those decisions for the coach and front office.

Jalen Brunson was signed initially to complement Randle. He overtook Randle to the point where nobody could ignore it and it took Brunson physically breaking down to not have gotten to the finals sooner, without Randle. Brunson didn't wait for clearance. Jaden shouldn't have either.

Of course, and it's not like Julius was so good that Jaden stepping up and taking it wasn't possible. It's just complete nonsense to say, oh get rid of Ju so Jaden can step up as a top 2 scorer.

Jaden is doing great in his role. Trying to make him into to someone in a different role is foolish. He's great as a elite defensive wing who can also score a bit, he's already successful!!! Don't try and change him into a more of scorer who then is probably more tired and can't defend at the same level. Makes no sense. Keep the main thing the main thing.

I'm not saying he shouldn't try and expand his game at all. He for sure can improve on passing, handling and overall offense. But it's not what he's great at so I wouldn't risk taking away from his primary role to hope he becomes a player with too much on his plate. Asking him to be the number 2 scorer and number 1 or 2 defender just seems unrealistic. How many guys can carry that load in the NBA? That list is super short, even in the history of the NBA. Think about it. Guys have to play their roles and play to their strengths. Its a team game.

rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 10:53 am

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 10:44 am

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:38 am

Of course, and it's not like Julius was so good that Jaden stepping up and taking it wasn't possible. It's just complete nonsense to say, oh get rid of Ju so Jaden can step up as a top 2 scorer.

Jaden is doing great in his role. Trying to make him into to someone in a different role is foolish. He's great as a elite defensive wing who can also score a bit, he's already successful!!! Don't try and change him into a more of scorer who then is probably more tired and can't defend at the same level. Makes no sense. Keep the main thing the main thing.

I'm not saying he shouldn't try and expand his game at all. He for sure can improve on passing, handling and overall offense. But it's not what he's great at so I wouldn't risk taking away from his primary role to hope he becomes a player with too much on his plate. Asking him to be the number 2 scorer and number 1 or 2 defender just seems unrealistic. How many guys can carry that load in the NBA? That list is super short, even in the history of the NBA. Think about it. Guys have to play their roles and play to their strengths. Its a team game.

You're absolutely right. Because you're right, when the team mentions their core as Ant, JMac. Naz and Beringer, I have every right to say that core isn't good enough.

When that core includes a kid that at 22 and healthy took out Durant and Joker with ease, includes JMAC that flustered defending champion Murray so much he threw a hot pack onto the court. We don't fully know what we have in Naz yet, we may learn this year if he starts, we may never learn if we move him. Every single person that talks about Joan including players glow about him. TSJ is a right hand finish away from really contributing. Ayo has shown a lot of flashes when healthy, that he can grow into an important role. We are deeply going to miss Donte next season. This Knicks team just won with all of their players in their absolute tip of their prime between 28-31 years old. Lets let this core continue to grow and evolve their games into their primes. We keep doing this with every Wolves team crying they can't win, and they keep winning somewhere else when we trade them.

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 12:22 pm

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:38 am

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 12:54 am
Jaden has been here 6 years. Naz has been here 7.

If there was more there and coaching got in the way, Finch should be out of a job.

If there was more there and the front office got in the way, Connelly should be out of a job.

but while the first two may be true, it may just be that Jaden isn't good enough to be that second fiddle because even those type of players don't have to wait for someone else to leave to make a way. You take that spot and make those decisions for the coach and front office.

Jalen Brunson was signed initially to complement Randle. He overtook Randle to the point where nobody could ignore it and it took Brunson physically breaking down to not have gotten to the finals sooner, without Randle. Brunson didn't wait for clearance. Jaden shouldn't have either.

Of course, and it's not like Julius was so good that Jaden stepping up and taking it wasn't possible. It's just complete nonsense to say, oh get rid of Ju so Jaden can step up as a top 2 scorer.

Jaden is doing great in his role. Trying to make him into to someone in a different role is foolish. He's great as a elite defensive wing who can also score a bit, he's already successful!!! Don't try and change him into a more of scorer who then is probably more tired and can't defend at the same level. Makes no sense. Keep the main thing the main thing.

I'm not saying he shouldn't try and expand his game at all. He for sure can improve on passing, handling and overall offense. But it's not what he's great at so I wouldn't risk taking away from his primary role to hope he becomes a player with too much on his plate. Asking him to be the number 2 scorer and number 1 or 2 defender just seems unrealistic. How many guys can carry that load in the NBA? That list is super short, even in the history of the NBA. Think about it. Guys have to play their roles and play to their strengths. Its a team game.

I don't see the point in continuing to explain this argument when you continue to not understand or purposely leave out key points.

Seems there is only one option for you this off-season and everything else is failure, so good luck with that

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 3:31 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 12:22 pm

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:38 am

Of course, and it's not like Julius was so good that Jaden stepping up and taking it wasn't possible. It's just complete nonsense to say, oh get rid of Ju so Jaden can step up as a top 2 scorer.

Jaden is doing great in his role. Trying to make him into to someone in a different role is foolish. He's great as a elite defensive wing who can also score a bit, he's already successful!!! Don't try and change him into a more of scorer who then is probably more tired and can't defend at the same level. Makes no sense. Keep the main thing the main thing.

I'm not saying he shouldn't try and expand his game at all. He for sure can improve on passing, handling and overall offense. But it's not what he's great at so I wouldn't risk taking away from his primary role to hope he becomes a player with too much on his plate. Asking him to be the number 2 scorer and number 1 or 2 defender just seems unrealistic. How many guys can carry that load in the NBA? That list is super short, even in the history of the NBA. Think about it. Guys have to play their roles and play to their strengths. Its a team game.

I don't see the point in continuing to explain this argument when you continue to not understand or purposely leave out key points.

Seems there is only one option for you this off-season and everything else is failure, so good luck with that

I'm just realistic. How many players in the NBA are their teams top 1-2 defender and top 1-2 scorer on their own team? Think about it. It's just common sense. Giannis, Kawhi, Duncan, Hakeem in his prime? Think about what your asking, it's not really realistic. Possible, but very unlikely.

Jaden is doing great. If he can do more great too, but don't count on it.

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 3:31 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 12:22 pm

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:38 am

Of course, and it's not like Julius was so good that Jaden stepping up and taking it wasn't possible. It's just complete nonsense to say, oh get rid of Ju so Jaden can step up as a top 2 scorer.

Jaden is doing great in his role. Trying to make him into to someone in a different role is foolish. He's great as a elite defensive wing who can also score a bit, he's already successful!!! Don't try and change him into a more of scorer who then is probably more tired and can't defend at the same level. Makes no sense. Keep the main thing the main thing.

I'm not saying he shouldn't try and expand his game at all. He for sure can improve on passing, handling and overall offense. But it's not what he's great at so I wouldn't risk taking away from his primary role to hope he becomes a player with too much on his plate. Asking him to be the number 2 scorer and number 1 or 2 defender just seems unrealistic. How many guys can carry that load in the NBA? That list is super short, even in the history of the NBA. Think about it. Guys have to play their roles and play to their strengths. Its a team game.

I don't see the point in continuing to explain this argument when you continue to not understand or purposely leave out key points.

Seems there is only one option for you this off-season and everything else is failure, so good luck with that

I'm just realistic. How many players in the NBA are their teams top 1-2 defender and top 1-2 scorer on their own team? Think about it. It's just common sense. Giannis, Kawhi, Duncan, Hakeem in his prime? Think about what your asking, it's not really realistic. Possible, but very unlikely.

Jaden is doing great. If he can do more great too, but don't count on it.

rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 10:53 am

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 10:44 am

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:38 am

Of course, and it's not like Julius was so good that Jaden stepping up and taking it wasn't possible. It's just complete nonsense to say, oh get rid of Ju so Jaden can step up as a top 2 scorer.

Jaden is doing great in his role. Trying to make him into to someone in a different role is foolish. He's great as a elite defensive wing who can also score a bit, he's already successful!!! Don't try and change him into a more of scorer who then is probably more tired and can't defend at the same level. Makes no sense. Keep the main thing the main thing.

I'm not saying he shouldn't try and expand his game at all. He for sure can improve on passing, handling and overall offense. But it's not what he's great at so I wouldn't risk taking away from his primary role to hope he becomes a player with too much on his plate. Asking him to be the number 2 scorer and number 1 or 2 defender just seems unrealistic. How many guys can carry that load in the NBA? That list is super short, even in the history of the NBA. Think about it. Guys have to play their roles and play to their strengths. Its a team game.

You're absolutely right. Because you're right, when the team mentions their core as Ant, JMac. Naz and Beringer, I have every right to say that core isn't good enough.

When that core includes a kid that at 22 and healthy took out Durant and Joker with ease, includes JMAC that flustered defending champion Murray so much he threw a hot pack onto the court. We don't fully know what we have in Naz yet, we may learn this year if he starts, we may never learn if we move him. Every single person that talks about Joan including players glow about him. TSJ is a right hand finish away from really contributing. Ayo has shown a lot of flashes when healthy, that he can grow into an important role. We are deeply going to miss Donte next season. This Knicks team just won with all of their players in their absolute tip of their prime between 28-31 years old. Lets let this core continue to grow and evolve their games into their primes. We keep doing this with every Wolves team crying they can't win, and they keep winning somewhere else when we trade them.

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 5:47 pm

rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 10:53 am

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 10:44 am

You're absolutely right. Because you're right, when the team mentions their core as Ant, JMac. Naz and Beringer, I have every right to say that core isn't good enough.

When that core includes a kid that at 22 and healthy took out Durant and Joker with ease, includes JMAC that flustered defending champion Murray so much he threw a hot pack onto the court. We don't fully know what we have in Naz yet, we may learn this year if he starts, we may never learn if we move him. Every single person that talks about Joan including players glow about him. TSJ is a right hand finish away from really contributing. Ayo has shown a lot of flashes when healthy, that he can grow into an important role. We are deeply going to miss Donte next season. This Knicks team just won with all of their players in their absolute tip of their prime between 28-31 years old. Lets let this core continue to grow and evolve their games into their primes. We keep doing this with every Wolves team crying they can't win, and they keep winning somewhere else when we trade them.

Naz Reid has been here longer than anyone. If 7 years in, nobody know what he is, shouldn't someone be held accountable for that? If you're looking for a 2nd guy to go with Ant, shouldn't that have been explored by now instead of wasting time with someone everyone knew wasn't gonna be good enough in Randle? The fact that Naz and JMac are here and some of us still think there's this untapped potential is a massive indictment on the front office and the coach because turning to them now feels like they ran out of ideas.

Also, I haven't been a proponent of trading JMac or Naz or Beringer. What I'm saying is you need a better player than all three of them to be part of that core for it to be good enough because I've drawn a strong conclusion on JMac and Naz and pretty confident on Beringer's future.

The difference between the Knicks and Wolves is simple: the Knicks have never had to worry about Jalen Brunson's desire to stick around. Up to this point we haven't had to with Ant either, but if things don't seem to progress, by the time Ant's 28 he's not gonna be leading us to anything. He'll be somewhere else and we'll be talking about how these Hawks picks might be something one day and because Connelly has depleted us of everything else, it's all we'll have to hold onto. Connelly has to figure out how to get players with actual futures here and Finch has to go back to doing what got him this job in the first place. If he doesn't, he can step.

Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 6:21 pm

WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 5:47 pm

rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2026 10:53 am

When that core includes a kid that at 22 and healthy took out Durant and Joker with ease, includes JMAC that flustered defending champion Murray so much he threw a hot pack onto the court. We don't fully know what we have in Naz yet, we may learn this year if he starts, we may never learn if we move him. Every single person that talks about Joan including players glow about him. TSJ is a right hand finish away from really contributing. Ayo has shown a lot of flashes when healthy, that he can grow into an important role. We are deeply going to miss Donte next season. This Knicks team just won with all of their players in their absolute tip of their prime between 28-31 years old. Lets let this core continue to grow and evolve their games into their primes. We keep doing this with every Wolves team crying they can't win, and they keep winning somewhere else when we trade them.

Naz Reid has been here longer than anyone. If 7 years in, nobody know what he is, shouldn't someone be held accountable for that? If you're looking for a 2nd guy to go with Ant, shouldn't that have been explored by now instead of wasting time with someone everyone knew wasn't gonna be good enough in Randle? The fact that Naz and JMac are here and some of us still think there's this untapped potential is a massive indictment on the front office and the coach because turning to them now feels like they ran out of ideas.

Also, I haven't been a proponent of trading JMac or Naz or Beringer. What I'm saying is you need a better player than all three of them to be part of that core for it to be good enough because I've drawn a strong conclusion on JMac and Naz and pretty confident on Beringer's future.

The difference between the Knicks and Wolves is simple: the Knicks have never had to worry about Jalen Brunson's desire to stick around. Up to this point we haven't had to with Ant either, but if things don't seem to progress, by the time Ant's 28 he's not gonna be leading us to anything. He'll be somewhere else and we'll be talking about how these Hawks picks might be something one day and because Connelly has depleted us of everything else, it's all we'll have to hold onto. Connelly has to figure out how to get players with actual futures here and Finch has to go back to doing what got him this job in the first place. If he doesn't, he can step.

If Ant stays, great, if he wants to go somewhere else, great. Least of my worries.