Trade Talks Update

[Lipoli390]

I don't really like the package miami had to offer, but will gladly take a whiteside/ richardson package for jimmy if we can include a thibbs for spoelstra swap.

Lol. Best post of the thread!

[KiwiMatt]

I don't really like the package miami had to offer, but will gladly take a whiteside/ richardson package for jimmy if we can include a thibbs for spoelstra swap.

Lol. Best post of the thread!

I'd even offer them a future 1st!

[Lipoli390]

Here's a Miami press article about Whiteside from April 18 of this year. Read this and then send an email to Glen Taylor pleading with him not to accept any deal with the Heat that includes Whiteside. Here's the article:

"Whiteside should be done for the whole series, and, really, his Heat career should be over. Miami made a mistake by making him the highest-paid player on the team, and it's time to move on from him and his terrible attitude ASAP.

Saturday, Whiteside played 12 uninspiring minutes and scored only two points. He seemed disengaged the entire game, even with a huge matchup disadvantage against Sixers journeyman Amir Johnson. You'd think a center like Whiteside, who tells the world how amazing he is every chance he gets, would smell blood in the water with the Sixers missing superstar big man Joel Embiid in the first game.

Nope. Whiteside had his worst game of the season in the biggest game of the year for the Heat. Just four minutes into the second half, Coach Spoelstra had seen enough and pulled Whiteside for good. The team's best matchup and highest-paid player was a no-show and, even worse, a liability who needed to be taken off the court.

The performance was unacceptable, and it was just the latest example of why the Heat needs to call an early end to the Whiteside era. They must move on from him in the offseason, and in the present, they should keep him on the bench.

Whiteside was absolutely brutal all game long during the playoffs' first contest. Olynyk and Adebayo were clearly better options, and much of it had to do with effort."

Whiteside is owed over $27 million in each of the next two seasons under his contract. Miami has tried to move him, but for obvious reasons hasn't found any takers. Then the pathetic Wolves organization comes along and agrees to take him out of an obsessive drive to offload Gorgui's far cheaper contract. Note that Gorgui is a guy who works his ass off and never complains. He's a guy who will take charges and battle every second he's on the court. Is he overpaid? Yes. But it would be idiotic to insist on including Gorgui in a Butler deal if doing so would mean getting Whiteside in return. That's not what good organizations do.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Frankly, you get what you can and move on. Enough talk of what Butler should be worth. He's worth whatever the best deal they can get for him and no more. Unless they can get a handshake deal on a better December deal, they need to ask Washington (if Porter is available) or Philly (is Covington available) and if not, take the best deal they can get with Miami and move on. JRich and parts is more than a turd sandwich. Which if Butler stays is what we'll have.

Yeah, no offense, but you would be a horrendous GM in any professional sports league with this line of thinking. Guys like Danny Ainge would lowball you time and time again and you'd eat it up because "that's the best deal that's being offered."

Unbelievable. Instead of caving to poor trade offers, like you definitely would, a good front office would set a value on their star player and stick to it and negotiate until they got within an appropriate proximity of that value and then sell. This really isn't that difficult and if the trade partner doesn't cooperate, then they lose out on the deal that they wanted to accomplish in the first place.

Again, Richardson was always in play. Adebayo was always in play. Miami's first-round pick was always in play. It comes down to how patient can Minnesota be and how much interest can they work up. They have the best player available. They know Miami cannot sign Butler as a free agent next summer. And they know Riley isn't dumb enough to let a deal slip away because of mediocre players like Richardson and Adebayo. Thibs is rightfully going to wait this out.

[Lipoli390]

Frankly, you get what you can and move on. Enough talk of what Butler should be worth. He's worth whatever the best deal they can get for him and no more. Unless they can get a handshake deal on a better December deal, they need to ask Washington (if Porter is available) or Philly (is Covington available) and if not, take the best deal they can get with Miami and move on. JRich and parts is more than a turd sandwich. Which if Butler stays is what we'll have.

Yeah, no offense, but you would be a horrendous GM in any professional sports league with this line of thinking. Guys like Danny Ainge would lowball you time and time again and you'd eat it up because "that's the best deal that's being offered."

Unbelievable. Instead of caving to poor trade offers, like you definitely would, a good front office would set a value on their star player and stick to it and negotiate until they got within an appropriate proximity of that value and then sell. This really isn't that difficult and if the trade partner doesn't cooperate, then they lose out on the deal that they wanted to accomplish in the first place.

Again, Richardson was always in play. Adebayo was always in play. Miami's first-round pick was always in play. It comes down to how patient can Minnesota be and how much interest can they work up. They have the best player available. They know Miami cannot sign Butler as a free agent next summer. And they know Riley isn't dumb enough to let a deal slip away because of mediocre players like Richardson and Adebayo. Thibs is rightfully going to wait this out.

Cam -- I agree with you completely. My only caveat is that you have to set your player's value based on your assessment of the market, including your assessment of the value you believe the team you're negotiating with ascribes to your player. I suspect that's what you meant. Otherwise, I think you nailed it. In negotiating with the Heat, the Wolves front office has to identify what they believe Butler's value is to the Heat and then stick to it until Miami agrees to a deal, in your words, "within an appropriate proximity of that value." That is the only way to approach this. As I've said for some time now, I can't see Pat Riley letting the opportunity to get Butler slip away be refusing to include both Adebayo and Richardson in a deal. No doubt they'd love to keep one of them, but given where Miami is at right now, getting Butler should be worth giving up both of them.

What I find highly disturbing is the report that the deal with Miami collapsed because the Wolves suddenly insisted on including Adebayo at the last minute. It's disturbing because Adebayo AND Richardson should have been at the core of the Wolves negotiating parameters from the beginning.

[TheGrey08]

Cam -- I agree with you completely. My only caveat is that you have to set your player's value based on your assessment of the market, including your assessment of the value you believe the team you're negotiating with ascribes to your player. I suspect that's what you meant. Otherwise, I think you nailed it. In negotiating with the Heat, the Wolves front office has to identify what they believe Butler's value is to the Heat and then stick to it until Miami agrees to a deal, in your words, "within an appropriate proximity of that value." That is the only way to approach this. As I've said for some time now, I can't see Pat Riley letting the opportunity to get Butler slip away be refusing to include both Adebayo and Richardson in a deal. No doubt they'd love to keep one of them, but given where Miami is at right now, getting Butler should be worth giving up both of them.

What I find highly disturbing is the report that the deal with Miami collapsed because the Wolves suddenly insisted on including Adebayo at the last minute. Wolves suddenly insisted on including Adebayo at the last minute. It's disturbing because Adebayo AND Richardson should have been at the core of the Wolves negotiating parameters from the beginning.

Is that really what happened though? The only report I saw is that they tried to ask for 1 more thing last minute. It had been previously reported last week that the Wolves were after Richardson, Adebayo and 2019 1st for Butler. If that's the case, then it doesn't make sense that the last minute piece Sunday would have been Adebayo.

[mjs34]

I think they should fire Thibs and tell Jimmy to report. Then let Jimmy know they are canceling the Jimmy Show. Tell the media they aren't taking offers since they all think it was such a shitshow.

Stop letting the patients run the asylum

[Lipoli390]

I think they should fire Thibs and tell Jimmy to report. Then let Jimmy know they are canceling the Jimmy Show. Tell the media they aren't taking offers since they all think it was such a shitshow.

Stop letting the patients run the asylum

I'm with you, SJM.

[bleedspeed]

I am onboard with firing Thibs and bringing in someone else to captain the ship.

[bleedspeed]

Man I am jealous of the Suns.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/suns-fire-gm-ryan-mcdonough-163431069.html