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I'm sure the Pacers preference would be to build around Brogdon, Sabonis LeVert and Simmons. I'm guessing that they prefer to trade a package centered around Turner. I see they supposedly offered Brogdon at one point but that was when they had time to replace Brogdon.

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:I'm sure the Pacers preference would be to build around Brogdon, Sabonis LeVert and Simmons. I'm guessing that they prefer to trade a package centered around Turner. I see they supposedly offered Brogdon at one point but that was when they had time to replace Brogdon.

Simmons would replace Brogdon. Let's not forget that Simmons is a PG. LeVert, Sabonis, Justin Holiday and Jeremy Lamb are all shooters. Simmons is a big step up from Brogdon on that team. If its true that they offered Brogdon already, then I would think they'd offer him again. I think they'd expect Maxey in return to match salaries.

lipoli390 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:I'm sure the Pacers preference would be to build around Brogdon, Sabonis LeVert and Simmons. I'm guessing that they prefer to trade a package centered around Turner. I see they supposedly offered Brogdon at one point but that was when they had time to replace Brogdon.

Simmons would replace Brogdon. Let's not forget that Simmons is a PG. LeVert, Sabonis, Justin Holiday and Jeremy Lamb are all shooters. Simmons is a big step up from Brogdon on that team. If its true that they offered Brogdon already, then I would think they'd offer him again. I think they'd expect Maxey in return to match salaries.

They also have TJ Mconnell who they gave midlevel money for. Honestly he probably makes sense to go back to the Sixers as he isn't really a shooter but they would have to wait till December 15 to do that. Yes you heard it hear first folks, the Simmons trade is being held up by TJ Mconnell being eligible to be traded back where it all started with the Sixers. #trusttheprocess

lipoli390 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:I'm sure the Pacers preference would be to build around Brogdon, Sabonis LeVert and Simmons. I'm guessing that they prefer to trade a package centered around Turner. I see they supposedly offered Brogdon at one point but that was when they had time to replace Brogdon.

Simmons would replace Brogdon. Let's not forget that Simmons is a PG. LeVert, Sabonis, Justin Holiday and Jeremy Lamb are all shooters. Simmons is a big step up from Brogdon on that team. If its true that they offered Brogdon already, then I would think they'd offer him again. I think they'd expect Maxey in return to match salaries.

Let's also not forget that talent trumps just about everything else. The Pacers want to accumulate as much talent as possible, same with the Wolves. From what we have heard in reports, what is Indiana bidding against to get them to offer Brogdon? And what are they bidding against to get them to offer Brogdon on the cusp of the preseason? Do we even know that the Pacers would want Simmons running the point full time? Is that still a unanimous stance throughout the league?

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:I'm sure the Pacers preference would be to build around Brogdon, Sabonis LeVert and Simmons. I'm guessing that they prefer to trade a package centered around Turner. I see they supposedly offered Brogdon at one point but that was when they had time to replace Brogdon.

Simmons would replace Brogdon. Let's not forget that Simmons is a PG. LeVert, Sabonis, Justin Holiday and Jeremy Lamb are all shooters. Simmons is a big step up from Brogdon on that team. If its true that they offered Brogdon already, then I would think they'd offer him again. I think they'd expect Maxey in return to match salaries.

Let's also not forget that talent trumps just about everything else. The Pacers want to accumulate as much talent as possible, same with the Wolves. From what we have heard in reports, what is Indiana bidding against to get them to offer Brogdon? And what are they bidding against to get them to offer Brogdon on the cusp of the preseason? Do we even know that the Pacers would want Simmons running the point full time? Is that still a unanimous stance throughout the league?

Lol. I don't think there's any such thing as a unanimous stance anywhere. :) I think the Pacers want to win. There were already a playoff team last season and would like to advance further no doubt. Going from Brogdon to Simmons would be an upgrade for them.

Good question about what the Pacers are bidding against to offer Brogdon. I'm just relying on reports that Indiana previously offered Brogdon for Simmons. Having offered him before, I suspect they'd be willing to offer him again. I don't think the Sixers will deal Simmons for any package that fails to include a high-level offensive lead guard to complement Embiid and Harris. Toronto reportedly offered VanVleet 4-6 weeks ago while the Kings reportedly offered Haliburton and Barnes in that same time frame. I've read reports that Cleveland previously offered Sexton. The market for Simmons has cooled as it has become clear that Simmons will hold out. But ultimately, I think the lead guards who were offered previously will probably be offered again - probably with fewer sweeteners (picks etc.).

Simmons fits the Wolves as a replacement for DLO. He also fits the Spurs as a replacement for Murray, the Raptors as a replacement for VanVleet, the Cavs as a replacement for Sexton, the Blazers as a replacement for McCollum, and the Pacers as a replacement for Brogdon. We can't know for sure whether any or all of these guards are or will be on the table for Simmons now or going forward. But since all of them, except DLO, have reportedly been offered previously, I suspect at least a couple of them (if not all) will be offered again.

Lip, some of those teams might not view Ben Simmons as replacements for their lead guards, but rather a huge upgrade to their frontcourt that could coexist with their lead guards. I'm not sure whether the league views him as a point guard or a versatile forward at this time. That might be an issue when it comes down to what teams are willing to offer for him.

Camden wrote:Lip, some of those teams might not view Ben Simmons as replacements for their lead guards, but rather a huge upgrade to their frontcourt that could coexist with their lead guards. I'm not sure whether the league views him as a point guard or a versatile forward at this time. That might be an issue when it comes down to what teams are willing to offer for him.

Good point, Cam. I see Simmons primarily as a PG on most teams to take full advantage of his offensive skills, namely passing and dribble penetration. I see him as a liability off the ball because of his poor perimeter shooting, which would hurt the team's ability to spread the floor. On the other hand, he has the size and skills to be a good lob target and slasher off the ball. I think you're absolutely right that which role various teams see him in will ultimately determine what they are willing to offer. It's an interesting question that none of us can know the answer to. In the case of the Wolves, I think it's fairly clear that they see Simmons in the role you described and that's why they've been unwilling to part with DLO thus far. If it's true that the Sixers have been offered Fred VanVleet, Dejounte Murray and Brogdon, that suggest those teams see Simmons as more of a PG. If true that Portland offered McCollum, they might see him in a hybrid role as lead guard with Lillard off the ball as their primary perimeter scorer or as a big wing feeding off of Lillard's playmaking.

lipoli390 wrote:

Camden wrote:Lip, some of those teams might not view Ben Simmons as replacements for their lead guards, but rather a huge upgrade to their frontcourt that could coexist with their lead guards. I'm not sure whether the league views him as a point guard or a versatile forward at this time. That might be an issue when it comes down to what teams are willing to offer for him.

Good point, Cam. I see Simmons primarily as a PG on most teams to take full advantage of his offensive skills, namely passing and dribble penetration. I see him as a liability off the ball because of his poor perimeter shooting, which would hurt the team's ability to spread the floor. On the other hand, he has the size and skills to be a good lob target and slasher off the ball. I think you're absolutely right that which role various teams see him in will ultimately determine what they are willing to offer. It's an interesting question that none of us can know the answer to. In the case of the Wolves, I think it's fairly clear that they see Simmons in the role you described and that's why they've been unwilling to part with DLO thus far. If it's true that the Sixers have been offered Fred VanVleet, Dejounte Murray and Brogdon, that suggest those teams see Simmons as more of a PG. If true that Portland offered McCollum, they might see him in a hybrid role as lead guard with Lillard off the ball as their primary perimeter scorer or as a big wing feeding off of Lillard's playmaking.

I think you can consider Simmons your PG but he can't be your get a bucket guard whatever you want to label that. It's similar to what Rubio was here only obviously more impactful as a defender and being a such large human being..and his offensive upside is legitimately higher than what Rubio has become. With Simmons a team needs another good guard to pair with him. I think a team if they had a really high level high volume shooter/scorer who doesn't exactly create their own shot that may work but there are only so many of those guys around the league. So what teams are going to give up a player/s that they may need to pair with Simmons...to acquire him? Some teams have multiple guards that might work with Simmons so they could let one go in a deal.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Camden wrote:Lip, some of those teams might not view Ben Simmons as replacements for their lead guards, but rather a huge upgrade to their frontcourt that could coexist with their lead guards. I'm not sure whether the league views him as a point guard or a versatile forward at this time. That might be an issue when it comes down to what teams are willing to offer for him.

Good point, Cam. I see Simmons primarily as a PG on most teams to take full advantage of his offensive skills, namely passing and dribble penetration. I see him as a liability off the ball because of his poor perimeter shooting, which would hurt the team's ability to spread the floor. On the other hand, he has the size and skills to be a good lob target and slasher off the ball. I think you're absolutely right that which role various teams see him in will ultimately determine what they are willing to offer. It's an interesting question that none of us can know the answer to. In the case of the Wolves, I think it's fairly clear that they see Simmons in the role you described and that's why they've been unwilling to part with DLO thus far. If it's true that the Sixers have been offered Fred VanVleet, Dejounte Murray and Brogdon, that suggest those teams see Simmons as more of a PG. If true that Portland offered McCollum, they might see him in a hybrid role as lead guard with Lillard off the ball as their primary perimeter scorer or as a big wing feeding off of Lillard's playmaking.

I think you can consider Simmons your PG but he can't be your get a bucket guard whatever you want to label that. It's similar to what Rubio was here only obviously more impactful as a defender and being a such large human being..and his offensive upside is legitimately higher than what Rubio has become. With Simmons a team needs another good guard to pair with him. I think a team if they had a really high level high volume shooter/scorer who doesn't exactly create their own shot that may work but there are only so many of those guys around the league. So what teams are going to give up a player/s that they may need to pair with Simmons...to acquire him? Some teams have multiple guards that might work with Simmons so they could let one go in a deal.

Excellent points, Monster. I think the Wolves could pair Simmons effectively with Edwards. He could also be paired with Beverley. That's why I can see trading DLO for Simmons. I think Indiana could pair Simmons with LeVert or McConnell. If the Kings trade Haliburton and Hield, they could pair Simmons with Fox. The Spurs could pair Simmons with White. The Cavs could pair Simmons with Garland. In all those cases - Edwards, LeVert, Fox, White and Garland - the acquiring team would be able to pair Simmons with another ball-handling guard with a good perimeter shot and an offensive orientation to complement Simmons' more poor shooting and more defensive orientation.

"League sources confirm that the Pacers are among the teams who have talked to the Philadelphia 76ers about a potential Simmons trade. Caris LeVert was among the players brought up in those communications, per SNY sources. It is unknown if talks between Philadelphia and Indiana have progressed beyond run-of-the-mill contact.

Indiana is among several teams who have expressed interest in trading for Simmons, as reported earlier by The Philadelphia Inquirer. The Sacramento Kings are also among that group of teams, per sources. Simmons is holding out of training camp and still has no plans to play for the Sixers in the immediate future."- via SportsNet New York

The Pacers keep coming up as a team pursuing Simmons. Now would appear that the Kings are back in the running - or perhaps they were never out of the picture.