Ben Simmons Talk Revived

[Lipoli390]

NBA star Ben Simmons' sister Olivia has been ordered to pay her half-brother Sean Tribe a whopping $550,000, five months after she posted a series of defamatory tweets. Mr Tribe, 35, sued his sister for defamation in April after she took to Twitter to publish a series of false allegations he had sexually abused her as a child. Mr Tribe strongly denied the allegations. - via Natalie Wolfe @ Melbourne Herald-Sun

Ms Simmons, 29, who lives in Melbourne, later deleted the three tweets but not before they had been liked by her followers hundreds of times. The Federal Court awarded Mr Tribe a default win on August 3 after Ms Simmons repeatedly failed to present a defence or turn up to court. - via Natalie Wolfe @ Melbourne Herald-Sun

Very strange. Ben's sister falsely accuses her half-brother Sean Tribe with child sexual abuse. Tribe sues her and she doesn't even show up in court. Does anyone really doubt that Ben won't show up at the Sixers' training camp? :)

Additional info about this story and the Simmons family:

Tribe is Ben Simmons Manager.

Olivia Simmons daughter has a rare brain condition and recently had surgery at some point throughout this process.

Ben Simmons shooting coach is his brother Liam.

The Simmons family is quite a rabbit hole to fall into.

Edit: Also I wonder if this situation at times was weighing on Simmons mind at all late in the season and the playoffs? Which one of his siblings is lying about something pretty serious?

Interesting additional info, Monster. I knew that Ben's brother Liam was his shooting coach. Apparently, Simmons chose to work with his brother Liam rather than the shooting coach hired for him specially by the team. It's part of the troubling narrative associated with Simmons. I didn't know that Tribe was Ben's manager. Ah, the plot thickens.

In fairness to Tribe, there's no question in my mind that Ben's sister was the one who lied. How do I know that? Two things. First, you wouldn't file a lawsuit for slander if you were guilty because you'd open yourself up to all sorts of risk without the protections you'd otherwise get in criminal court. Truth is an absolute defense in a slander lawsuit, so the entire case would focus on whether Tribe actually did what Ben's sister accused him of doing. Second, Ben's sister didn't even contest the lawsuit, knowing that she would lose by default and have to pay a large sum of money. Obviously, she wasn't concerned about privacy because she was repeatedly tweeting her accusations. I might be wrong, but I really doubt it. Anyway, I digress. The more interesting angle is what you referred to as the Simmons family rabbit hole.

I'm still perplexed by Simmons - not improving his shooting at all, choosing his brother over a professional shooting coach hired by his team, refusing to take shots in spite of his coaches telling him to shoot, reports that he hasn't been working on his game in the offseason and doesn't take coaching well. There are things about Simmons that definitely give me pause and it's not just his horrendous free-throw shooting and absence of any meaningful perimeter shot.

[Monster]

NBA star Ben Simmons' sister Olivia has been ordered to pay her half-brother Sean Tribe a whopping $550,000, five months after she posted a series of defamatory tweets. Mr Tribe, 35, sued his sister for defamation in April after she took to Twitter to publish a series of false allegations he had sexually abused her as a child. Mr Tribe strongly denied the allegations. - via Natalie Wolfe @ Melbourne Herald-Sun

Ms Simmons, 29, who lives in Melbourne, later deleted the three tweets but not before they had been liked by her followers hundreds of times. The Federal Court awarded Mr Tribe a default win on August 3 after Ms Simmons repeatedly failed to present a defence or turn up to court. - via Natalie Wolfe @ Melbourne Herald-Sun

Very strange. Ben's sister falsely accuses her half-brother Sean Tribe with child sexual abuse. Tribe sues her and she doesn't even show up in court. Does anyone really doubt that Ben won't show up at the Sixers' training camp? :)

Additional info about this story and the Simmons family:

Tribe is Ben Simmons Manager.

Olivia Simmons daughter has a rare brain condition and recently had surgery at some point throughout this process.

Ben Simmons shooting coach is his brother Liam.

The Simmons family is quite a rabbit hole to fall into.

Edit: Also I wonder if this situation at times was weighing on Simmons mind at all late in the season and the playoffs? Which one of his siblings is lying about something pretty serious?

Interesting additional info, Monster. I knew that Ben's brother Liam was his shooting coach. Apparently, Simmons chose to work with his brother Liam rather than the shooting coach hired for him specially by the team. It's part of the troubling narrative associated with Simmons. I didn't know that Tribe was Ben's manager. Ah, the plot thickens.

In fairness to Tribe, there's no question in my mind that Ben's sister was the one who lied. How do I know that? Two things. First, you wouldn't file a lawsuit for slander if you were guilty because you'd open yourself up to all sorts of risk without the protections you'd otherwise get in criminal court. Truth is an absolute defense in a slander lawsuit, so the entire case would focus on whether Tribe actually did what Ben's sister accused him of doing. Second, Ben's sister didn't even contest the lawsuit, knowing that she would lose by default and have to pay a large sum of money. Obviously, she wasn't concerned about privacy because she was repeatedly tweeting her accusations. I might be wrong, but I really doubt it. Anyway, I digress. The more interesting angle is what you referred to as the Simmons family rabbit hole.

I'm still perplexed by Simmons - not improving his shooting at all, choosing his brother over a professional shooting coach hired by his team, refusing to take shots in spite of his coaches telling him to shoot, reports that he hasn't been working on his game in the offseason and doesn't take coaching well. There are things about Simmons that definitely give me pause and it's not just his horrendous free-throw shooting and absence of any meaningful perimeter shot.

Lip I thought the same as you did at first that it was clear that the accusations against Tribe were not true. The more I read the more I thought there was a chance they were true and various circumstances including her daughter's brain surgery and health were keeping Olivia from responding to this case. The Tweets came in April and a decision in this case was made in August. That's sort of a quick turnaround and if Tribe is innocent then that certainly is a positive for him. I think it's most likely that he is innocent but I still think there is a chance that Olivia wasn't just making this whole thing up. Like I said regardless it's some worrisome stuff and I would think it would weigh on Ben and he seems close to both of them but Tribe is with him daily all the time.

Apparently Simmons is right handed but shoots left handed. JJ Redick said on his podcast he actually talked to Simmons about switching because his form is better right handed.

One thing I forgot to mention that Windhorst said with Wolfson is that he saw Rivers building the team more around Embiid and it's been less about Simmons which is another reason Simmons is unhappy. I'm not sure if that is true or not as I'm not watching Sixers games to see what differences there were between the coaching styles. I do remember Brett Brown was a big Simmons guy.

There are some red flags about Simmons. The more I dig the more apparent that is. I know some people believe Sixers fans have been hard on him and that's probably true to some extent but my guess is that some Sixers fans are aware of the things we have discussed here and therefore and there is some reasoning why they are frustrated with Ben Simmons beyond his playoff performance a few months ago etc. I'm not saying I don't want Simmons but the price I would pay is lowering. At some point despite all this he can still help a team on the court. Teams do overlook problems because of talent and impact. Only time will tell what the price will be. If the price is reasonably strong I'm starting to hope it's not the Wolves that pay it.

[Lipoli390]

NBA star Ben Simmons' sister Olivia has been ordered to pay her half-brother Sean Tribe a whopping $550,000, five months after she posted a series of defamatory tweets. Mr Tribe, 35, sued his sister for defamation in April after she took to Twitter to publish a series of false allegations he had sexually abused her as a child. Mr Tribe strongly denied the allegations. - via Natalie Wolfe @ Melbourne Herald-Sun

Ms Simmons, 29, who lives in Melbourne, later deleted the three tweets but not before they had been liked by her followers hundreds of times. The Federal Court awarded Mr Tribe a default win on August 3 after Ms Simmons repeatedly failed to present a defence or turn up to court. - via Natalie Wolfe @ Melbourne Herald-Sun

Very strange. Ben's sister falsely accuses her half-brother Sean Tribe with child sexual abuse. Tribe sues her and she doesn't even show up in court. Does anyone really doubt that Ben won't show up at the Sixers' training camp? :)

Additional info about this story and the Simmons family:

Tribe is Ben Simmons Manager.

Olivia Simmons daughter has a rare brain condition and recently had surgery at some point throughout this process.

Ben Simmons shooting coach is his brother Liam.

The Simmons family is quite a rabbit hole to fall into.

Edit: Also I wonder if this situation at times was weighing on Simmons mind at all late in the season and the playoffs? Which one of his siblings is lying about something pretty serious?

Interesting additional info, Monster. I knew that Ben's brother Liam was his shooting coach. Apparently, Simmons chose to work with his brother Liam rather than the shooting coach hired for him specially by the team. It's part of the troubling narrative associated with Simmons. I didn't know that Tribe was Ben's manager. Ah, the plot thickens.

In fairness to Tribe, there's no question in my mind that Ben's sister was the one who lied. How do I know that? Two things. First, you wouldn't file a lawsuit for slander if you were guilty because you'd open yourself up to all sorts of risk without the protections you'd otherwise get in criminal court. Truth is an absolute defense in a slander lawsuit, so the entire case would focus on whether Tribe actually did what Ben's sister accused him of doing. Second, Ben's sister didn't even contest the lawsuit, knowing that she would lose by default and have to pay a large sum of money. Obviously, she wasn't concerned about privacy because she was repeatedly tweeting her accusations. I might be wrong, but I really doubt it. Anyway, I digress. The more interesting angle is what you referred to as the Simmons family rabbit hole.

I'm still perplexed by Simmons - not improving his shooting at all, choosing his brother over a professional shooting coach hired by his team, refusing to take shots in spite of his coaches telling him to shoot, reports that he hasn't been working on his game in the offseason and doesn't take coaching well. There are things about Simmons that definitely give me pause and it's not just his horrendous free-throw shooting and absence of any meaningful perimeter shot.

Lip I thought the same as you did at first that it was clear that the accusations against Tribe were not true. The more I read the more I thought there was a chance they were true and various circumstances including her daughter's brain surgery and health were keeping Olivia from responding to this case. The Tweets came in April and a decision in this case was made in August. That's sort of a quick turnaround and if Tribe is innocent then that certainly is a positive for him. I think it's most likely that he is innocent but I still think there is a chance that Olivia wasn't just making this whole thing up. Like I said regardless it's some worrisome stuff and I would think it would weigh on Ben and he seems close to both of them but Tribe is with him daily all the time.

Apparently Simmons is right handed but shoots left handed. JJ Redick said on his podcast he actually talked to Simmons about switching because his form is better right handed.

One thing I forgot to mention that Windhorst said with Wolfson is that he saw Rivers building the team more around Embiid and it's been less about Simmons which is another reason Simmons is unhappy. I'm not sure if that is true or not as I'm not watching Sixers games to see what differences there were between the coaching styles. I do remember Brett Brown was a big Simmons guy.

There are some red flags about Simmons. The more I dig the more apparent that is. I know some people believe Sixers fans have been hard on him and that's probably true to some extent but my guess is that some Sixers fans are aware of the things we have discussed here and therefore and there is some reasoning why they are frustrated with Ben Simmons beyond his playoff performance a few months ago etc. I'm not saying I don't want Simmons but the price I would pay is lowering. At some point despite all this he can still help a team on the court. Teams do overlook problems because of talent and impact. Only time will tell what the price will be. If the price is reasonably strong I'm starting to hope it's not the Wolves that pay it.

My thinking is totally in sync with yours on this, Monster. The more I read and reflect, the less inclined I am to covet Simmons. Fans in Philadelphia can be nasty and hard to please. But they embraced Allen Iverson in spite of all his personal and professional flaws. My friend from Philly told me that what has turned Sixers fans against Simmons are (1) his steadfast refusal to shoot even though coaches, teammates and fans have been encouraging him to shoot; (2) his apparent failure to work on his game in the off-season; and (3) his tendency to completely disappear from games in big moments. Those things are important factors to consider, in addition to his poor shooting, before trading half of your remaining first-round picks this decade and young, high-upside talent like McDaniels.

[Lipoli390]

Tom Moore: #NBA source: The #Sixers 'are expecting (Ben Simmons) to play (in 2021-22). The expectation is they will. It's bumpy right now (& the team expects it) to get better.' The #76ers don't plan on making a deal that would drop them back in standings & not getting viable offers. pic.twitter.com/QUMmzkKbKF - via Twitter TomMoorePhilly

Looks like some spin control by the Sixers organization, using their lackeys in the media to spread the narrative that Simmons will play for the Sixers unless they get the win-now players they want in return. It's easy to spin and spread that narrative, but much harder to turn it into reality given what has transpired to date. And as much as the Sixers front office would like to believe otherwise, Simmons will have something to say about whether he plays for them. I acknowledge that the Sixers might be able to repair the relationship with Simmons enough to get him on the court and be successful as a team in spite of the obvious awkwardness and residual ill will. But right now, this obvious exercise in spin control rings hollow with me.

[Monster]

NBA star Ben Simmons' sister Olivia has been ordered to pay her half-brother Sean Tribe a whopping $550,000, five months after she posted a series of defamatory tweets. Mr Tribe, 35, sued his sister for defamation in April after she took to Twitter to publish a series of false allegations he had sexually abused her as a child. Mr Tribe strongly denied the allegations. - via Natalie Wolfe @ Melbourne Herald-Sun

Ms Simmons, 29, who lives in Melbourne, later deleted the three tweets but not before they had been liked by her followers hundreds of times. The Federal Court awarded Mr Tribe a default win on August 3 after Ms Simmons repeatedly failed to present a defence or turn up to court. - via Natalie Wolfe @ Melbourne Herald-Sun

Very strange. Ben's sister falsely accuses her half-brother Sean Tribe with child sexual abuse. Tribe sues her and she doesn't even show up in court. Does anyone really doubt that Ben won't show up at the Sixers' training camp? :)

Additional info about this story and the Simmons family:

Tribe is Ben Simmons Manager.

Olivia Simmons daughter has a rare brain condition and recently had surgery at some point throughout this process.

Ben Simmons shooting coach is his brother Liam.

The Simmons family is quite a rabbit hole to fall into.

Edit: Also I wonder if this situation at times was weighing on Simmons mind at all late in the season and the playoffs? Which one of his siblings is lying about something pretty serious?

Interesting additional info, Monster. I knew that Ben's brother Liam was his shooting coach. Apparently, Simmons chose to work with his brother Liam rather than the shooting coach hired for him specially by the team. It's part of the troubling narrative associated with Simmons. I didn't know that Tribe was Ben's manager. Ah, the plot thickens.

In fairness to Tribe, there's no question in my mind that Ben's sister was the one who lied. How do I know that? Two things. First, you wouldn't file a lawsuit for slander if you were guilty because you'd open yourself up to all sorts of risk without the protections you'd otherwise get in criminal court. Truth is an absolute defense in a slander lawsuit, so the entire case would focus on whether Tribe actually did what Ben's sister accused him of doing. Second, Ben's sister didn't even contest the lawsuit, knowing that she would lose by default and have to pay a large sum of money. Obviously, she wasn't concerned about privacy because she was repeatedly tweeting her accusations. I might be wrong, but I really doubt it. Anyway, I digress. The more interesting angle is what you referred to as the Simmons family rabbit hole.

I'm still perplexed by Simmons - not improving his shooting at all, choosing his brother over a professional shooting coach hired by his team, refusing to take shots in spite of his coaches telling him to shoot, reports that he hasn't been working on his game in the offseason and doesn't take coaching well. There are things about Simmons that definitely give me pause and it's not just his horrendous free-throw shooting and absence of any meaningful perimeter shot.

Lip I thought the same as you did at first that it was clear that the accusations against Tribe were not true. The more I read the more I thought there was a chance they were true and various circumstances including her daughter's brain surgery and health were keeping Olivia from responding to this case. The Tweets came in April and a decision in this case was made in August. That's sort of a quick turnaround and if Tribe is innocent then that certainly is a positive for him. I think it's most likely that he is innocent but I still think there is a chance that Olivia wasn't just making this whole thing up. Like I said regardless it's some worrisome stuff and I would think it would weigh on Ben and he seems close to both of them but Tribe is with him daily all the time.

Apparently Simmons is right handed but shoots left handed. JJ Redick said on his podcast he actually talked to Simmons about switching because his form is better right handed.

One thing I forgot to mention that Windhorst said with Wolfson is that he saw Rivers building the team more around Embiid and it's been less about Simmons which is another reason Simmons is unhappy. I'm not sure if that is true or not as I'm not watching Sixers games to see what differences there were between the coaching styles. I do remember Brett Brown was a big Simmons guy.

There are some red flags about Simmons. The more I dig the more apparent that is. I know some people believe Sixers fans have been hard on him and that's probably true to some extent but my guess is that some Sixers fans are aware of the things we have discussed here and therefore and there is some reasoning why they are frustrated with Ben Simmons beyond his playoff performance a few months ago etc. I'm not saying I don't want Simmons but the price I would pay is lowering. At some point despite all this he can still help a team on the court. Teams do overlook problems because of talent and impact. Only time will tell what the price will be. If the price is reasonably strong I'm starting to hope it's not the Wolves that pay it.

My thinking is totally in sync with yours on this, Monster. The more I read and reflect, the less inclined I am to covet Simmons. Fans in Philadelphia can be nasty and hard to please. But they embraced Allen Iverson in spite of all his personal and professional flaws. My friend from Philly told me that what has turned Sixers fans against Simmons are (1) his steadfast refusal to shoot even though coaches, teammates and fans have been encouraging him to shoot; (2) his apparent failure to work on his game in the off-season; and (3) his tendency to completely disappear from games in big moments. Those things are important factors to consider, in addition to his poor shooting, before trading half of your remaining first-round picks this decade and young, high-upside talent like McDaniels.

This is the kind of thing I was asking about a few days ago and it ended up coming along. It seemed like there was some issues but I didn't do a deep dive sometimes it's hard to know what to search for and you get random fans sayingBen Simmons is whatever and then you read the "article" and there is really no substance to back it up.

The Wolves had their own guy that had issues with improving his shooting. Some here questioned whether or not Rubio really worked on his shot in the offseason. I think the reality was we didn't really know and he also had some legit injuries during the offseason early in his career that would have hampered that ability too. At some point I think it's clear Rubio did work on his game and improved somewhat and if nothing else his international play proves that it's real at least at that level which is good but obviously a different game and overall level of play than the NBA.

Ultimately there are some legit concerns when considering acquiring Simmons. I still don't know exactly what my absolute limit is on acquiring him. I think I still might be willing to include McDaniels in a deal depending on what the other assets were. Sometimes teams should take a bit of a risk on a player. I also think it has to make sense in terms of the assets given up and how the player fits with the team acquiring him. Various trades have some sort of risk even if it's not for a guy that's risky on or off the court. I'm starting to be more ambivalent to whether or not we acquire Simmons. Some of that is because it seems quite possible a deal will be a few weeks away as people around the league seem to think Morey may hold on as long as he can.