It's time to move on from DLO....

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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Camden wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Whether I think Murray's value -- either now or in the future -- is close to Durant's value is irrelevant. Theoretically, Murray was gettable.

Durant is not. Durant has ALL the power on where he ends up.


- We can't assume that the Timberwolves wouldn't be willing to give up the assets necessary for Kevin Durant just because they were unwilling to offer them for Dejounte Murray. That's why the comparison was relevant. They are on two completely different levels as players even at their respective ages.

- Durant still has four years remaining on his current deal. Superstar or not, he doesn't have the leverage necessary to dictate his next destination. If he's indeed traded, Brooklyn will inevitably take the best offer and that is where Durant will go.



That's simply not how the NBA works.

Do you really think Durant would request a trade from Brooklyn... and then shut up even if he's sent to another destination he doesn't want to be?


The reality is that a contending team will likely jump on the opportunity to acquire Kevin Durant, and will be more motivated to give up the assets required to get him than a bottom feeder would, which makes this very conversation irrelevant. But when you have four years left on your deal you have little actual power. The entire reason players have been able to control their next destination is because of the threat to sit out or not report to their team. Would Durant be willing to do that for the next four years? Would he even do it for one year? That's incredibly unlikely.
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Yes, you try to get Durant. And no, he's not coming here. I guess Phoenix.
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Any front office worth their salt should be trying to figure out why KD's unhappy so they know whether that would continue if they traded for him. I suspect it's a combination of factors.

1) He seems to have been unhappy with how the Nets dealt with the Kyrie situation last year. I'm not sympathetic to him on that, but that would suggest he wouldn't necessarily want out of whatever team traded for him.

2) He could potentially be tired of Kyrie himself. I'm more sympathetic to that, and again, unless the team that trades for him somehow also lands Kyrie, that wouldn't necessarily mean he'd want out of his new destination as well.

3) He might just be tired of all the drama overall with the Harden and Simmons trades. I'm not sympathetic because in a sense, he and Kyrie are the ones who kind of made that "trading for superstars at any cost" approach the norm for the Nets. But again, if he goes to a more stable franchise, he wouldn't really have that reason to complain.

4) Maybe he really soured on the team over their loss in last year's playoffs and wants to ensure he'll compete in the future. If that's the case, it's a bit weird because that team is still stacked and if they got their chemistry right, they'd be among the favorites in the East. They clearly were having on-court chemistry problems at the end of last season, and that helps explain how they got swept by Boston. But to the extent that that's his problem, going to a new team would allow him to have a chemistry reset, similar to when he went to Golden State in the first place. He'll be joining a team that already has 1 or 2 stars, not starting something from scratch like they tried with him and Kyrie. And if contending is his issue, I can't think of more than 6-7 teams that wouldn't become serious playoff threats if they added KD.


These are just guesses, but most of them suggest his problem is specifically with the Nets and therefore he wouldn't necessarily demand a trade from whatever team landed him.

Now, maybe he's really turned into an even more selfish, defensive jerk than it has appeared in recent years, and he really would only want to go to just a couple of teams. If that's the case, then yes, trading for him would be a big risk.

But all in all, I actually think it's most likely that he's just really unhappy with the Nets in particular right now, and that the root of his unhappiness wouldn't necessarily follow him to most new teams. In that case, there might not be as much risk in trading for him.

For the record, I wouldn't touch Kyrie with a 10-foot pole.
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The Nets are going to want players more than draft picks. They know where Durant goes, the picks are likely to be in the 20's. Look for a team that can offer good young talent, like Phoenix.
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:The Nets are going to want players more than draft picks. They know where Durant goes, the picks are likely to be in the 20's. Look for a team that can offer good young talent, like Phoenix.


I think you're absolutely right about the Suns as Durant's likely landing spot. I think it will be combination of players and picks. the Nets aren't going to get the caliber and quantity of young players back to make them a contender. So the minute they trade Durant, they're starting a rebuild. Because it's New York, then could possibly accelerate their rebuild via free agency, but that also means clearing salary for next summer.

Regarding the Suns, the deal will likely revolve around Ayton on a sign-and-trade basis. He just turned 24 years old, so he fits well in a rebuild. Now let's consider who the Suns won't include in a deal and that would be Booker and Chris Paul. I also suspect the Suns might not be willing to give up Mikal Bridges. I think the deal will include Ayton, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 unprotected first-round picks (2023, 2025, 2027, 2029) along with pick swaps in 2024 and 2026.
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If your the Celtics would you trade Tatum and a 1st for Durant?
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PorkChop wrote:If your the Celtics would you trade Tatum and a 1st for Durant?


No.
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PorkChop wrote:If your the Celtics would you trade Tatum and a 1st for Durant?


Absolutely not!
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KG4Ever wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
D-Loser wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
KG4Ever wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:The little I've was on the Tyus situation is he wants to start. That does not happen hear if Dlo is not traded. I'm still in the don't trade Dlo just to trade dlo


If the Wolves like Tyus more than DLO, it could absolutely happen whether or not DLO is traded.


Sure but I think it would be terrible for team chemistry because Dlo does not suck and he would be benched. You can say suck it up but that's not how it works. Big locker room distraction in my opinion


Yeah, actually Dlo does suck. You should probably come to terms with that :)


He really doesn't suck you should come to terms with that. :)


Actually, he kinda does suck.


For his salary yes. In the Context of him being a good player no. The guy is at worst a very good guard off the bench that can score and get guys looks. He does not suck.
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Why does Durant want out? Same reason I have been questioning that group since it was put together and it's only gotten more questionable. Durant made his bed going there but that doesn't mean he is stupid to realize he should leave because it's unlikely to work there. I'm not surprised at all Durant might be asking out. Some people will knock him for it (some of it fair) but I think he is smart for moving on.

The Nets have a really good GM in Marks and quite frankly Durant deciding to leave might be the best thing for the Nets. Marks has been able to find players off the scrap heap, later first round picks, 2nd round picks etc etc. no joke the Nets if they get back assets for Durant will probably eventually be just fine if Marks can keep doing what he did since taking Ober the team when it was in really bad shape with no picks. If they move Durant and decide to start over Joe Harris could be another guy that's moved for a bunch of value if he is healthy again. Simmons is still young and at this point they probably wouldn't get great value so he could be a guy they sort of build around (assume he gets back on the floor and stays healthy) until they find their next star player. Simmons could rehab his value and then they deal him. We have seen other teams do that.
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