Possible Wolves Draft Day Trades
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Sundog - How about swapping DLO and #19 to the Knicks for Fournier, Kemba Walker and #11? :) I'd only do that deal if I knew we could get Dyson Daniels. Otherwise, I'd offer #40 instead of #19 without knowing who'd be available at 11. Getting DLO for Fournier and Walker would definitely be a huge upgrade for the Knicks if they're goal is to make the playoffs next season.
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lipoli390 wrote:Sundog - How about swapping DLO and #19 to the Knicks for Fournier, Kemba Walker and #11? :) I'd only do that deal if I knew we could get Dyson Daniels. Otherwise, I'd offer #40 instead of #19 without knowing who'd be available at 11. Getting DLO for Fournier and Walker would definitely be a huge upgrade for the Knicks if they're goal is to make the playoffs next season.
Yeah, that's been bouncing around in my head -- I keep saying I'd only support trading Dlo if the Wolves got value back, but I don't know what that value might look like. I think that deal might come close, especially if the Wolves don't have to give up #19. I like Beasley better than Fournier (and like his contract better) but there is some redundancy there, so the Wolves could then look for a deal for Beasley that improves the team.
But the Knicks probably wouldn't do that deal. I think Dlo will be with the Wolves next season, which I think is great -- I'm a big Dlo fan.
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Here's a recent report about the Cavs and their #14 pick:
The Cleveland Cavaliers have the 14th pick in the upcoming 2022 NBA Draft, but the rights to that asset could be had by another franchise for a price, of course. According to Michael Scotto of HoopsHype, the Cavs are willing to let go of that tasty lottery pick in exchange for another first-round pick in the future.
If there's someone the Wolves front office really wants who likely won't fall to 19, then a future 1st round pick (top 4 protected) might be worth giving up. The Wolves would then have #14 and 19, along with their three 2nd-round picks.
The Cleveland Cavaliers have the 14th pick in the upcoming 2022 NBA Draft, but the rights to that asset could be had by another franchise for a price, of course. According to Michael Scotto of HoopsHype, the Cavs are willing to let go of that tasty lottery pick in exchange for another first-round pick in the future.
If there's someone the Wolves front office really wants who likely won't fall to 19, then a future 1st round pick (top 4 protected) might be worth giving up. The Wolves would then have #14 and 19, along with their three 2nd-round picks.
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Potential 3-way draft-day trade with Wolves, Knicks & Pacers:
Wolves Get: Buddy Hield, Kemba Walker and #6.
Knicks Get: Brogdon and #19
Pacers Get: DLO, Noel, Naz, 11 & 40
Why would the Wolves do this? We'd get the #6 pick and the chance to draft Dyson Daniels. I don't like Buddy's contract, but is presence would make it easier to trade Beasley.
Why would the Knicks do this? They'd get the PG they need and have reportedly been trying to get in return for dropping down 8 spots in the draft. Seems reasonable to me.
Why would the Pacers do this? Not sure. This is the tougher question to answer. Bottom line is that they'd rid themselves of the Buddy Hield's and Brogdon contracts, two players and contracts that don't fit their rebuild situation organized around Haliburton. They'd free up a lot of cap space for next summer and they'd still have a lottery pick at #11 and another 2nd-round pick in a deep draft. Noel would give them more flexibility to trade Myles Turner.
Wolves Get: Buddy Hield, Kemba Walker and #6.
Knicks Get: Brogdon and #19
Pacers Get: DLO, Noel, Naz, 11 & 40
Why would the Wolves do this? We'd get the #6 pick and the chance to draft Dyson Daniels. I don't like Buddy's contract, but is presence would make it easier to trade Beasley.
Why would the Knicks do this? They'd get the PG they need and have reportedly been trying to get in return for dropping down 8 spots in the draft. Seems reasonable to me.
Why would the Pacers do this? Not sure. This is the tougher question to answer. Bottom line is that they'd rid themselves of the Buddy Hield's and Brogdon contracts, two players and contracts that don't fit their rebuild situation organized around Haliburton. They'd free up a lot of cap space for next summer and they'd still have a lottery pick at #11 and another 2nd-round pick in a deep draft. Noel would give them more flexibility to trade Myles Turner.
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lipoli390 wrote:Potential 3-way draft-day trade with Wolves, Knicks & Pacers:
Wolves Get: Buddy Hield, Kemba Walker and #6.
Knicks Get: Brogdon and #19
Pacers Get: DLO, Noel, Naz, 11 & 40
Why would the Wolves do this? We'd get the #6 pick and the chance to draft Dyson Daniels. I don't like Buddy's contract, but is presence would make it easier to trade Beasley.
Why would the Knicks do this? They'd get the PG they need and have reportedly been trying to get in return for dropping down 8 spots in the draft. Seems reasonable to me.
Why would the Pacers do this? Not sure. This is the tougher question to answer. Bottom line is that they'd rid themselves of the Buddy Hield's and Brogdon contracts, two players and contracts that don't fit their rebuild situation organized around Haliburton. They'd free up a lot of cap space for next summer and they'd still have a lottery pick at #11 and another 2nd-round pick in a deep draft. Noel would give them more flexibility to trade Myles Turner.
The Knicks cut Minnesota out. They take on the longer contract and move down 8 spots? And STILL keep Randle?
Also, the Pacers are the kind of the team that has no intentions of drafting this high ever again. If they're gonna pick at 6, aim for the moon. Also, they're the last team that needs to add 2 centers. If anything they need to give guys like Isaiah Jackson a chance to play.
The Knicks are just not as pressed to get a vet PG now. They'll use Quickley, Rose and even Burks if they have to unless they find a better younger option. If it's Brunson, that's one thing, but otherwise they'll keep platooning guys until Rokas Jokubaitis shows up.
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Just saw this on Hoopshype:
As reported in our previous HoopsHype aggregate mock draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers are open to moving back in the draft if they can acquire an additional future first-round pick.
Several teams have inquired about Cleveland's 14th overall pick, including the Minnesota Timberwolves, Memphis Grizzlies, and Milwaukee Bucks, league sources told HoopsHype.
The Wolves front office execs are apparently doing what they should be doing - i.e., exploring various options. The Wolves have reportedly been talking with the Hawks about a trade for Capela. And we see here that the Wolves have apparently talked with Cavs about trading up for their 14th pick. According to this report, the Grizzlies and Bucks have both inquired as well. The Bucks have the 24th pick and no second round picks this year. They've already traded their 2024 first-round pick. The Grizzlies have picks 22, 29, 47 and 56 this year. They have all their future first-round picks and an incoming 1st from Golden State in 2024. The Wolves have picks 19, 40, 48 and 50 this year and all their future 1st rounders. If the Wolves want to move up to 14 and their competing with the Bucks and Grizzlies, I don't see the Bucks as a formidable competitor. The Grizzlies have more 1st-round draft assets than the Wolves, but the Wolves have the highest 1st round pick this year to swap. Of course, other teams could be interested as well. But I'd say the Wolves are well positioned to trade up to 14 if they want to.
The question is whether the Wolves would want to trade up 5 spots to 14 and, if so, whether they'd be willing to give up a future 1st-round pick and how protected any such pick would be. I put this in the "draft-day" trade thread because I don't think this is a deal you make unless you know who you're getting at 14. If there's a player at 14 the Wolves brain trust really wants and they're convinced he won't last to 19, then they should definitely consider giving up a future first to move up for that guy. Maybe the Wolves could get a future 2nd in return as part of the deal. Or perhaps there are other variations that involve Naz Reid that would allow the Wolves to keep #19. In any event, this is something to keep our eye on. The key is to NOT do a Gersson Rosas -- i.e., do not give up a future 1st to move up for a guy you want unless you're sure you can get that guy.
As reported in our previous HoopsHype aggregate mock draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers are open to moving back in the draft if they can acquire an additional future first-round pick.
Several teams have inquired about Cleveland's 14th overall pick, including the Minnesota Timberwolves, Memphis Grizzlies, and Milwaukee Bucks, league sources told HoopsHype.
The Wolves front office execs are apparently doing what they should be doing - i.e., exploring various options. The Wolves have reportedly been talking with the Hawks about a trade for Capela. And we see here that the Wolves have apparently talked with Cavs about trading up for their 14th pick. According to this report, the Grizzlies and Bucks have both inquired as well. The Bucks have the 24th pick and no second round picks this year. They've already traded their 2024 first-round pick. The Grizzlies have picks 22, 29, 47 and 56 this year. They have all their future first-round picks and an incoming 1st from Golden State in 2024. The Wolves have picks 19, 40, 48 and 50 this year and all their future 1st rounders. If the Wolves want to move up to 14 and their competing with the Bucks and Grizzlies, I don't see the Bucks as a formidable competitor. The Grizzlies have more 1st-round draft assets than the Wolves, but the Wolves have the highest 1st round pick this year to swap. Of course, other teams could be interested as well. But I'd say the Wolves are well positioned to trade up to 14 if they want to.
The question is whether the Wolves would want to trade up 5 spots to 14 and, if so, whether they'd be willing to give up a future 1st-round pick and how protected any such pick would be. I put this in the "draft-day" trade thread because I don't think this is a deal you make unless you know who you're getting at 14. If there's a player at 14 the Wolves brain trust really wants and they're convinced he won't last to 19, then they should definitely consider giving up a future first to move up for that guy. Maybe the Wolves could get a future 2nd in return as part of the deal. Or perhaps there are other variations that involve Naz Reid that would allow the Wolves to keep #19. In any event, this is something to keep our eye on. The key is to NOT do a Gersson Rosas -- i.e., do not give up a future 1st to move up for a guy you want unless you're sure you can get that guy.
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Yeah, kudos to the front office for covering all bases. It certainly depends on who would be available at 14 as you never know who might slide a bit on draft night, but in general I don't see much of a difference in talent level from 10-20 in this class. With that in mind, I would rather not trade a future first-round pick just to move up a handful of spots.
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A couple notes to kee in mind from Hollinger's latest draft article on the athletic.
"A few other draft notes while we're here:
o Houston's acquisition of the 26th pick from Dallas will be completed on draft night after the Mavs make their selection, or possibly after free agency starts. Because the deal isn't technically done, there is still a chance for this trade to expand.
o The Nuggets acquired pick 30 from Oklahoma City in a salary dump (sending out JaMychal Green and a future first) that was stage-managed to look like an acquisition; that one also hasn't been called in to the league yet and could expand depending on what happens on draft night."
"A few other draft notes while we're here:
o Houston's acquisition of the 26th pick from Dallas will be completed on draft night after the Mavs make their selection, or possibly after free agency starts. Because the deal isn't technically done, there is still a chance for this trade to expand.
o The Nuggets acquired pick 30 from Oklahoma City in a salary dump (sending out JaMychal Green and a future first) that was stage-managed to look like an acquisition; that one also hasn't been called in to the league yet and could expand depending on what happens on draft night."
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Camden wrote:Yeah, kudos to the front office for covering all bases. It certainly depends on who would be available at 14 as you never know who might slide a bit on draft night, but in general I don't see much of a difference in talent level from 10-20 in this class. With that in mind, I would rather not trade a future first-round pick just to move up a handful of spots.
I agree, Cam. Trading up to 14 would be a questionable move that would depend entirely on who's there at 14 compared to who is likely to be available at 19. Here's my list of guys likely to be drafted in the 5-18 range who I'd want to trade up to get - assuming the Wolves would not have to give up multiple further 1st rounders, KAT or Ant. The first four are the only ones I might be willing to give up a future first-round pick to get:
1. Dyson Daniels
2. Bennedict Mathurin
3. Jalen Duren
4. Jalen Williams
5. Mark Williams
6. Jeremy Sochan
Otherwise, I'd sit tight at 19 to see who, among the following, falls to 19:
1. Dalen Terry
2. Tari Eason - The best "do-shit" prospect in the draft; plus he has some skills along with great motor.
3. Ousman Dieng - I've had my doubts, but he has much of what Dyson Daniels has.
4. Ty Ty Washington - a late entry into my favorite picks for 19. The more I watch him on video, the more I like him.
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lipoli390 wrote:Here's a possible three-way deal involving DLO. My main purpose behind this deal would be positioning the Wolves to draft Dyson Daniels. I've become completely infatuated with him as our PG of the future. It's a 3-way deal with the Hornets and Wizards:
Wizards Get: DLO + pick #13 (Hornets) + pick #48 (Wolves)
Hornets Get: Porzingis + pick #50
Wolves Get: Hayward + pick #10 (Wizards)
Why would the Hornets do this deal? They'd be getting the best player of the three being exchanged. And Porzingis would be a great fit for the Hornets. I suspect they would relish the chance to add an all-star caliber big guy to play with LaMello Ball at PG and Miles Turner at the wing. He's significantly younger than Hayward who has had lots of injury issues. They'd be giving up the #13 pick, but they'd still have the #15 pick.
Why would the Wizards do this deal? They'd be getting the second-best player in this exchange in DLO. And they'd be filling their top priority need - the PG position. They need to fill that spot with a ready-made player to try and win now while Beal is still there. They'd be giving up the #10 pick, but they'd get the Hornets' #13 pick, so they really don't lose much in the draft either.
Why should the Wolves consider this? As I mentioned above, my main purpose would be the chance to draft Dyson Daniels. Moreover, if Hayward is healthy, he'd be an excellent win-now fit at the SF position with Edwards moving to he SG spot. The Wolves would have options at the PG position. They could start Beverley at that spot and rely more on JMac. But they could also use one of their salary cap exceptions to sign a free agent PG. Some possible options include Tyus Jones, Dennis Schroder, Delon Wright, Trey Burke, Aaron Holiday, Austin Rivers and Rajon Rondo. Some or all of the MLE might be needed to sign some of these guys, but others would likely be gettable for the BAE.
Would I actually pull the trigger on this deal if available? Honestly, I'm not sure. DLO was a key to the Wolves winning 46 games last season. If Hayward continued to struggle staying on the court physically next season, the deal would be a definite step back for the Wolves in the near term. But if he stayed healthy and we were able to sign Tyus or even Schroder, then I think we'd hold our ground in the near term as Dyson Daniels develops into the all-star caliber PG I think he'll be in a couple years. I think we could add a big at #19 where Mark Williams, Christian Koloko or Liddell would likely be available. And we'd still have the BAE to sign a big like Drummond or the opportunity to trade Beasley and Naz for a big like Turner, Holmes or Bamba.
Yeah, I realize I'm late to the party, but nobody's giving up anything of merit for KP until he (re)proves himself. If he's on a 75-game-pace at his '19/'20 production, he'll be one of the big names at next year's deadline. If not, then he won't.