Guys, I really don't think the Sixers would do a deal of DLO and #1 for Simmons. They certainly wouldn't consider DLO and #17.
As far as a Booker / Simmons conversation, to me Simmons helps us out much more because he brings outstanding defense along with his playmaking skills. KAT, DLO, and Booker would be really fun to watch and we would be a solid playoff team. But Simmons would give us a legit chance to be a contender. The only problem with Ben is his health. Too many injuries at such a young age.
Booker wants to leave suns
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:Guys, I really don't think the Sixers would do a deal of DLO and #1 for Simmons. They certainly wouldn't consider DLO and #17.
As far as a Booker / Simmons conversation, to me Simmons helps us out much more because he brings outstanding defense along with his playmaking skills. KAT, DLO, and Booker would be really fun to watch and we would be a solid playoff team. But Simmons would give us a legit chance to be a contender. The only problem with Ben is his health. Too many injuries at such a young age.
You may be right, but I don't think I'd even offer that in the first place. That's just my opinion. And I agree that D-Lo and 17 is a non-starter.
Re: Booker wants to leave suns
KG4Ever wrote:thedoper wrote:Camden0916 wrote:thedoper wrote:If Booker is anywhere near reachable for us we empty the barrels to get him.
One of those "we'll figure out the rest later" situations.
Getting 3 potential stars that young would be unprecedented. You absolutely have to do it. Its not like we have any breakout stars waiting in the wings on this team. Every one of our role players is replacable.
No, it happens quite often. In fact, OKC had four young stars: KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka.
Well if it happens quite often it always seems to have great results. I think KAT, DLO and Booker would be a pretty unique 3some. Would give clear roles to the horrible shooting wings we already have if we kept them. From there we just draft and sign hustle and D.
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Camden wrote:KG4Ever wrote:thedoper wrote:Camden0916 wrote:thedoper wrote:If Booker is anywhere near reachable for us we empty the barrels to get him.
One of those "we'll figure out the rest later" situations.
Getting 3 potential stars that young would be unprecedented. You absolutely have to do it. Its not like we have any breakout stars waiting in the wings on this team. Every one of our role players is replacable.
No, it happens quite often. In fact, OKC had four young stars: KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka.
We would have to politely agree to disagree on the entirety of this comment. Specifically, with the term "often" as pairing three All-Stars 25-or-younger has happened exactly zero times in my lifetime. I'd love for someone to fact check me on that, though. When is the last time that three age 25-or-younger All-Stars were on the same team?
It certainly wasn't the Oklahoma City team you're referring to. While they were obviously ridiculously talented, those Thunder teams didn't have All-Star James Harden. He was very good with the Thunder, but he took off in Houston. Serge Ibaka has never been a star.
I thought about the Miami Heat when their Big Three joined forces, but Dwyane Wade was already 29. LeBron James and Chris Bosh were 26.
The Golden State Warriors come very close in 2015-16. Klay Thompson and Draymond Green were 25 and Steph Curry was a baby-faced 27. That collection of talent was also an anomaly.
My conclusion is that no, it doesn't happen often. It would be unprecedented, or at least it hasn't happened in a very long time.
Towns, Wiggins, and Lavine :)
76ers core of Simmons, Embiid and Tobias Harris was pretty close (Harris turned 26 during the summer he joined the team), and bonus they had Jimmy Get Buckets.
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mrhockey89 wrote:Camden wrote:KG4Ever wrote:thedoper wrote:Camden0916 wrote:thedoper wrote:If Booker is anywhere near reachable for us we empty the barrels to get him.
One of those "we'll figure out the rest later" situations.
Getting 3 potential stars that young would be unprecedented. You absolutely have to do it. Its not like we have any breakout stars waiting in the wings on this team. Every one of our role players is replacable.
No, it happens quite often. In fact, OKC had four young stars: KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka.
We would have to politely agree to disagree on the entirety of this comment. Specifically, with the term "often" as pairing three All-Stars 25-or-younger has happened exactly zero times in my lifetime. I'd love for someone to fact check me on that, though. When is the last time that three age 25-or-younger All-Stars were on the same team?
It certainly wasn't the Oklahoma City team you're referring to. While they were obviously ridiculously talented, those Thunder teams didn't have All-Star James Harden. He was very good with the Thunder, but he took off in Houston. Serge Ibaka has never been a star.
I thought about the Miami Heat when their Big Three joined forces, but Dwyane Wade was already 29. LeBron James and Chris Bosh were 26.
The Golden State Warriors come very close in 2015-16. Klay Thompson and Draymond Green were 25 and Steph Curry was a baby-faced 27. That collection of talent was also an anomaly.
My conclusion is that no, it doesn't happen often. It would be unprecedented, or at least it hasn't happened in a very long time.
Towns, Wiggins, and Lavine :)
76ers core of Simmons, Embiid and Tobias Harris was pretty close (Harris turned 26 during the summer he joined the team), and bonus they had Jimmy Get Buckets.
Tobias Harris hasn't been an All-Star, but yeah that's quite the collection of talent. I'm being a stickler, but the point was that it just doesn't happen often -- if ever.
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Oh strange, I was thinking Harris made the AS game his last year with the Clippers. I think the reason we don't see 3-25 and under all-stars together is because that would theoretically mean in most cases that a team would have had to draft all 3, and given it's already a bit of a popularity contest (i.e. ceremonial swan-song all-star inclusions), and given the all-star game is typically geared toward players with measurable offensive production as opposed to defensive prowess, it doesn't really surprise me to hear it hasn't happened. You'd almost have to have 3 20+ ppg scorers, all <=25 years old, and a winning basketball team for it to happen.
I'm happy to have Russell on our team, but he's very much a fringe all-star at this point. If we get another all-star on this team and we're still not winning >50% of games, I think it will be a damning statement on the all-stars, regardless of supporting cast.
I'm happy to have Russell on our team, but he's very much a fringe all-star at this point. If we get another all-star on this team and we're still not winning >50% of games, I think it will be a damning statement on the all-stars, regardless of supporting cast.
Re: Booker wants to leave suns
mrhockey89 wrote:Oh strange, I was thinking Harris made the AS game his last year with the Clippers. I think the reason we don't see 3-25 and under all-stars together is because that would theoretically mean in most cases that a team would have had to draft all 3, and given it's already a bit of a popularity contest (i.e. ceremonial swan-song all-star inclusions), and given the all-star game is typically geared toward players with measurable offensive production as opposed to defensive prowess, it doesn't really surprise me to hear it hasn't happened. You'd almost have to have 3 20+ ppg scorers, all <=25 years old, and a winning basketball team for it to happen.
I'm happy to have Russell on our team, but he's very much a fringe all-star at this point. If we get another all-star on this team and we're still not winning >50% of games, I think it will be a damning statement on the all-stars, regardless of supporting cast.
I agree, Hockey. It's interesting to hear speculation, especially among Wolves fans, that the Wolves have little chance of making the playoffs with their current roster. If those people are right, then I don't know why we're bothering to build around KAT and DLO. If they are both actually all-star caliber players, then this team should at least be expected to contend for a 7th or 8th playoff slot. I'm all for adding another youngish all-star to this team to blend with KAT and DLO, but I look at that addition as the thing that takes use from playoff contender to championship contender. Let's not forget that Butler and a younger KAT took this team to the playoffs with an 8th seed and that the Wolves would have likely been a 4th or 5th seed of Jimmy hadn't gotten hurt.
Re: Booker wants to leave suns
KG4Ever wrote:thedoper wrote:Camden0916 wrote:thedoper wrote:If Booker is anywhere near reachable for us we empty the barrels to get him.
One of those "we'll figure out the rest later" situations.
Getting 3 potential stars that young would be unprecedented. You absolutely have to do it. Its not like we have any breakout stars waiting in the wings on this team. Every one of our role players is replacable.
No, it happens quite often. In fact, OKC had four young stars: KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka.
Well, they drafted all of them.
Trading pieces to get three young proven stars would be different.