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thedoper wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Cool, you're in Portland? Sorry to hear given the climate there.

doper, like the others said, it's about consistency. Like Q said, if you replace the word "white" with "black" and reverse who is saying it, I think we all know it would have been front page news in the NBA for a while, and would have been called out as super racist, not even using the slang term that you were originally suggesting.

I don't think any of us care too much about the term white boy, but we also agree that the intent is to be condescending, and it's a race-based condescending term. If we've learned anything in 2020, it doesn't have to be the majority that are offended by something, it can be the minority. As others mentioned, the Adams comment was years ago when we were in a different world as it pertains to political correctness on words.

On China the NBA definitely shows themselves to be total hypocrites. From the Hong Kong incident to the NBA China training academies where abuse of young children was taking place, the NBA not only didn't take a firm stance condemning it, but also tried to quiet the reporters reporting about it. They don't want bad press. It's all about the money, as always. It's also much of the reason I haven't watched a minute of playoff basketball this season.

I guess overall my expectation is that the NBA should be either taking a proactive stance as they pretend they are, and make sure they're applying their stance equally across all creeds or take a passive stance and avoid the topic altogether and let the players talk their trash and not dramamaticize every moment.

I get it. Its outrage about hypothetical consistency.
I'm thankful that most white players in the nba understand that language has context and typically dont make racial slurs. Like I already said, Im not going to get angry about a scenario that could potentially happen to a white player. I think that is a silly, make believe, straw man position. There is no politically correct boogeyman coming to strip white males of their rights.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Cool, you're in Portland? Sorry to hear given the climate there.

doper, like the others said, it's about consistency. Like Q said, if you replace the word "white" with "black" and reverse who is saying it, I think we all know it would have been front page news in the NBA for a while, and would have been called out as super racist, not even using the slang term that you were originally suggesting.

I don't think any of us care too much about the term white boy, but we also agree that the intent is to be condescending, and it's a race-based condescending term. If we've learned anything in 2020, it doesn't have to be the majority that are offended by something, it can be the minority. As others mentioned, the Adams comment was years ago when we were in a different world as it pertains to political correctness on words.

On China the NBA definitely shows themselves to be total hypocrites. From the Hong Kong incident to the NBA China training academies where abuse of young children was taking place, the NBA not only didn't take a firm stance condemning it, but also tried to quiet the reporters reporting about it. They don't want bad press. It's all about the money, as always. It's also much of the reason I haven't watched a minute of playoff basketball this season.

I guess overall my expectation is that the NBA should be either taking a proactive stance as they pretend they are, and make sure they're applying their stance equally across all creeds or take a passive stance and avoid the topic altogether and let the players talk their trash and not dramamaticize every moment.

I get it. Its outrage about hypothetical consistency.
I'm thankful that most white players in the nba understand that language has context and typically dont make racial slurs. Like I already said, Im not going to get angry about a scenario that could potentially happen to a white player. I think that is a silly, make believe, straw man position. There is no politically correct boogeyman coming to strip white males of their rights.

With the violent intimidation tactics being used by some BLM activists I wouldn't be so sure. Familiarize yourself with 1930's Berlin and learn how the brownshirts were a precursor to the Nazi's rise to power. Some of the stuff I'm seeing today looks awfully familiar to what happened back then. The Germans never thought it could happen in their country either.

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Cool, you're in Portland? Sorry to hear given the climate there.

doper, like the others said, it's about consistency. Like Q said, if you replace the word "white" with "black" and reverse who is saying it, I think we all know it would have been front page news in the NBA for a while, and would have been called out as super racist, not even using the slang term that you were originally suggesting.

I don't think any of us care too much about the term white boy, but we also agree that the intent is to be condescending, and it's a race-based condescending term. If we've learned anything in 2020, it doesn't have to be the majority that are offended by something, it can be the minority. As others mentioned, the Adams comment was years ago when we were in a different world as it pertains to political correctness on words.

On China the NBA definitely shows themselves to be total hypocrites. From the Hong Kong incident to the NBA China training academies where abuse of young children was taking place, the NBA not only didn't take a firm stance condemning it, but also tried to quiet the reporters reporting about it. They don't want bad press. It's all about the money, as always. It's also much of the reason I haven't watched a minute of playoff basketball this season.

I guess overall my expectation is that the NBA should be either taking a proactive stance as they pretend they are, and make sure they're applying their stance equally across all creeds or take a passive stance and avoid the topic altogether and let the players talk their trash and not dramamaticize every moment.

I get it. Its outrage about hypothetical consistency.
I'm thankful that most white players in the nba understand that language has context and typically dont make racial slurs. Like I already said, Im not going to get angry about a scenario that could potentially happen to a white player. I think that is a silly, make believe, straw man position. There is no politically correct boogeyman coming to strip white males of their rights.

With the violent intimidation tactics being used by some BLM activists I wouldn't be so sure. Familiarize yourself with 1930's Berlin and learn how the brownshirts were a precursor to the Nazi's rise to power. Some of the stuff I'm seeing today looks awfully familiar to what happened back then. The Germans never thought it could happen in their country either.

Wow cool. Please don't equate BLM with Nazi's at least to me. I am very familiar with 1930s Berlin. I lost much of my family in the Holocaust and definitely believe it cheapens any real debate about what is going on in the US right now to make any parallel to either side of US politics and one of the great evils of history. BLM definitely has challenging elements, but I think you are showing a tact and any real knowledge of history by trying to equate the real struggle of blacks as a minority at present to the white majority in Berlin blaming Jews for their economic hardship.

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Cool, you're in Portland? Sorry to hear given the climate there.

doper, like the others said, it's about consistency. Like Q said, if you replace the word "white" with "black" and reverse who is saying it, I think we all know it would have been front page news in the NBA for a while, and would have been called out as super racist, not even using the slang term that you were originally suggesting.

I don't think any of us care too much about the term white boy, but we also agree that the intent is to be condescending, and it's a race-based condescending term. If we've learned anything in 2020, it doesn't have to be the majority that are offended by something, it can be the minority. As others mentioned, the Adams comment was years ago when we were in a different world as it pertains to political correctness on words.

On China the NBA definitely shows themselves to be total hypocrites. From the Hong Kong incident to the NBA China training academies where abuse of young children was taking place, the NBA not only didn't take a firm stance condemning it, but also tried to quiet the reporters reporting about it. They don't want bad press. It's all about the money, as always. It's also much of the reason I haven't watched a minute of playoff basketball this season.

I guess overall my expectation is that the NBA should be either taking a proactive stance as they pretend they are, and make sure they're applying their stance equally across all creeds or take a passive stance and avoid the topic altogether and let the players talk their trash and not dramamaticize every moment.

I get it. Its outrage about hypothetical consistency.
I'm thankful that most white players in the nba understand that language has context and typically dont make racial slurs. Like I already said, Im not going to get angry about a scenario that could potentially happen to a white player. I think that is a silly, make believe, straw man position. There is no politically correct boogeyman coming to strip white males of their rights.

With the violent intimidation tactics being used by some BLM activists I wouldn't be so sure. Familiarize yourself with 1930's Berlin and learn how the brownshirts were a precursor to the Nazi's rise to power. Some of the stuff I'm seeing today looks awfully familiar to what happened back then. The Germans never thought it could happen in their country either.

Wow cool. Please don't equate BLM with Nazi's at least to me. I am very familiar with 1930s Berlin. I lost much of my family in the Holocaust and definitely believe it cheapens any real debate about what is going on in the US right now to make any parallel to either side of US politics and one of the great evils of history. BLM definitely has challenging elements, but I think you are showing a lack of tact and any real knowledge of history by trying to equate the real struggle of blacks as a minority at present to the white majority in Berlin blaming Jews for their economic hardship.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Cool, you're in Portland? Sorry to hear given the climate there.

doper, like the others said, it's about consistency. Like Q said, if you replace the word "white" with "black" and reverse who is saying it, I think we all know it would have been front page news in the NBA for a while, and would have been called out as super racist, not even using the slang term that you were originally suggesting.

I don't think any of us care too much about the term white boy, but we also agree that the intent is to be condescending, and it's a race-based condescending term. If we've learned anything in 2020, it doesn't have to be the majority that are offended by something, it can be the minority. As others mentioned, the Adams comment was years ago when we were in a different world as it pertains to political correctness on words.

On China the NBA definitely shows themselves to be total hypocrites. From the Hong Kong incident to the NBA China training academies where abuse of young children was taking place, the NBA not only didn't take a firm stance condemning it, but also tried to quiet the reporters reporting about it. They don't want bad press. It's all about the money, as always. It's also much of the reason I haven't watched a minute of playoff basketball this season.

I guess overall my expectation is that the NBA should be either taking a proactive stance as they pretend they are, and make sure they're applying their stance equally across all creeds or take a passive stance and avoid the topic altogether and let the players talk their trash and not dramamaticize every moment.

I get it. Its outrage about hypothetical consistency.
I'm thankful that most white players in the nba understand that language has context and typically dont make racial slurs. Like I already said, Im not going to get angry about a scenario that could potentially happen to a white player. I think that is a silly, make believe, straw man position. There is no politically correct boogeyman coming to strip white males of their rights.

With the violent intimidation tactics being used by some BLM activists I wouldn't be so sure. Familiarize yourself with 1930's Berlin and learn how the brownshirts were a precursor to the Nazi's rise to power. Some of the stuff I'm seeing today looks awfully familiar to what happened back then. The Germans never thought it could happen in their country either.

Wow cool. Please don't equate BLM with Nazi's at least to me. I am very familiar with 1930s Berlin. I lost much of my family in the Holocaust and definitely believe it cheapens any real debate about what is going on in the US right now to make any parallel to either side of US politics and one of the great evils of history. BLM definitely has challenging elements, but I think you are showing a tact and any real knowledge of history by trying to equate the real struggle of blacks as a minority at present to the white majority in Berlin blaming Jews for their economic hardship.

I'm not equating the real struggle of African Americans to anything. It's real and change is needed. I fully support the concept of BLM. What I have a problem with is certain parts of the movement. When i see innocent people being intimidated, threatened, and in many cases harmed, that's what i have a problem with. Some of these tactics are nearly exactly what the stormtroopers used when they were running around Germany strong arming people. And I'm not saying they are Nazi-like, I specifically said the brownshirts who were a precursor to the Nazi regime.

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Cool, you're in Portland? Sorry to hear given the climate there.

doper, like the others said, it's about consistency. Like Q said, if you replace the word "white" with "black" and reverse who is saying it, I think we all know it would have been front page news in the NBA for a while, and would have been called out as super racist, not even using the slang term that you were originally suggesting.

I don't think any of us care too much about the term white boy, but we also agree that the intent is to be condescending, and it's a race-based condescending term. If we've learned anything in 2020, it doesn't have to be the majority that are offended by something, it can be the minority. As others mentioned, the Adams comment was years ago when we were in a different world as it pertains to political correctness on words.

On China the NBA definitely shows themselves to be total hypocrites. From the Hong Kong incident to the NBA China training academies where abuse of young children was taking place, the NBA not only didn't take a firm stance condemning it, but also tried to quiet the reporters reporting about it. They don't want bad press. It's all about the money, as always. It's also much of the reason I haven't watched a minute of playoff basketball this season.

I guess overall my expectation is that the NBA should be either taking a proactive stance as they pretend they are, and make sure they're applying their stance equally across all creeds or take a passive stance and avoid the topic altogether and let the players talk their trash and not dramamaticize every moment.

I get it. Its outrage about hypothetical consistency.
I'm thankful that most white players in the nba understand that language has context and typically dont make racial slurs. Like I already said, Im not going to get angry about a scenario that could potentially happen to a white player. I think that is a silly, make believe, straw man position. There is no politically correct boogeyman coming to strip white males of their rights.

With the violent intimidation tactics being used by some BLM activists I wouldn't be so sure. Familiarize yourself with 1930's Berlin and learn how the brownshirts were a precursor to the Nazi's rise to power. Some of the stuff I'm seeing today looks awfully familiar to what happened back then. The Germans never thought it could happen in their country either.

Wow cool. Please don't equate BLM with Nazi's at least to me. I am very familiar with 1930s Berlin. I lost much of my family in the Holocaust and definitely believe it cheapens any real debate about what is going on in the US right now to make any parallel to either side of US politics and one of the great evils of history. BLM definitely has challenging elements, but I think you are showing a tact and any real knowledge of history by trying to equate the real struggle of blacks as a minority at present to the white majority in Berlin blaming Jews for their economic hardship.

I'm not equating the real struggle of African Americans to anything. It's real and change is needed. I fully support the concept of BLM. What I have a problem with is certain parts of the movement. When i see innocent people being intimidated, threatened, and in many cases harmed, that's what i have a problem with. Some of these tactics are nearly exactly what the stormtroopers used when they were running around Germany strong arming people. And I'm not saying they are Nazi-like, I specifically said the brownshirts who were a precursor to the Nazi regime.

Please don't double down on your mistake. With the brownshirts it wasn't "certain parts of the movement" the whole movement was dedicated to terror, racism, and evil. The bad apples of BLM don't represent the movement as a whole and therefore any comparison to them and the Brownshirts is as stupid as comparing police in the USA to Brownshirts because of bad cops.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Cool, you're in Portland? Sorry to hear given the climate there.

doper, like the others said, it's about consistency. Like Q said, if you replace the word "white" with "black" and reverse who is saying it, I think we all know it would have been front page news in the NBA for a while, and would have been called out as super racist, not even using the slang term that you were originally suggesting.

I don't think any of us care too much about the term white boy, but we also agree that the intent is to be condescending, and it's a race-based condescending term. If we've learned anything in 2020, it doesn't have to be the majority that are offended by something, it can be the minority. As others mentioned, the Adams comment was years ago when we were in a different world as it pertains to political correctness on words.

On China the NBA definitely shows themselves to be total hypocrites. From the Hong Kong incident to the NBA China training academies where abuse of young children was taking place, the NBA not only didn't take a firm stance condemning it, but also tried to quiet the reporters reporting about it. They don't want bad press. It's all about the money, as always. It's also much of the reason I haven't watched a minute of playoff basketball this season.

I guess overall my expectation is that the NBA should be either taking a proactive stance as they pretend they are, and make sure they're applying their stance equally across all creeds or take a passive stance and avoid the topic altogether and let the players talk their trash and not dramamaticize every moment.

I get it. Its outrage about hypothetical consistency.
I'm thankful that most white players in the nba understand that language has context and typically dont make racial slurs. Like I already said, Im not going to get angry about a scenario that could potentially happen to a white player. I think that is a silly, make believe, straw man position. There is no politically correct boogeyman coming to strip white males of their rights.

With the violent intimidation tactics being used by some BLM activists I wouldn't be so sure. Familiarize yourself with 1930's Berlin and learn how the brownshirts were a precursor to the Nazi's rise to power. Some of the stuff I'm seeing today looks awfully familiar to what happened back then. The Germans never thought it could happen in their country either.

Wow cool. Please don't equate BLM with Nazi's at least to me. I am very familiar with 1930s Berlin. I lost much of my family in the Holocaust and definitely believe it cheapens any real debate about what is going on in the US right now to make any parallel to either side of US politics and one of the great evils of history. BLM definitely has challenging elements, but I think you are showing a tact and any real knowledge of history by trying to equate the real struggle of blacks as a minority at present to the white majority in Berlin blaming Jews for their economic hardship.

I'm not equating the real struggle of African Americans to anything. It's real and change is needed. I fully support the concept of BLM. What I have a problem with is certain parts of the movement. When i see innocent people being intimidated, threatened, and in many cases harmed, that's what i have a problem with. Some of these tactics are nearly exactly what the stormtroopers used when they were running around Germany strong arming people. And I'm not saying they are Nazi-like, I specifically said the brownshirts who were a precursor to the Nazi regime.

Please don't double down on your mistake. With the brownshirts it wasn't "certain parts of the movement" the whole movement was dedicated to terror, racism, and evil. The bad apples of BLM don't represent the movement as a whole and therefore any comparison to them and the Brownshirts is as stupid as comparing police in the USA to Brownshirts because of bad cops.

Doper, you're one of my favorite posters on this site. But you're crossing the line a bit there. Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm stupid or have made a mistake. I specifically told you what i had a problem with. I didn't generalize it into the whole movement. I said certain factions were using tactics that are very similar to what happened in Berlin. You're demonstrating some of the ignorance you're accusing me of.

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Cool, you're in Portland? Sorry to hear given the climate there.

doper, like the others said, it's about consistency. Like Q said, if you replace the word "white" with "black" and reverse who is saying it, I think we all know it would have been front page news in the NBA for a while, and would have been called out as super racist, not even using the slang term that you were originally suggesting.

I don't think any of us care too much about the term white boy, but we also agree that the intent is to be condescending, and it's a race-based condescending term. If we've learned anything in 2020, it doesn't have to be the majority that are offended by something, it can be the minority. As others mentioned, the Adams comment was years ago when we were in a different world as it pertains to political correctness on words.

On China the NBA definitely shows themselves to be total hypocrites. From the Hong Kong incident to the NBA China training academies where abuse of young children was taking place, the NBA not only didn't take a firm stance condemning it, but also tried to quiet the reporters reporting about it. They don't want bad press. It's all about the money, as always. It's also much of the reason I haven't watched a minute of playoff basketball this season.

I guess overall my expectation is that the NBA should be either taking a proactive stance as they pretend they are, and make sure they're applying their stance equally across all creeds or take a passive stance and avoid the topic altogether and let the players talk their trash and not dramamaticize every moment.

I get it. Its outrage about hypothetical consistency.
I'm thankful that most white players in the nba understand that language has context and typically dont make racial slurs. Like I already said, Im not going to get angry about a scenario that could potentially happen to a white player. I think that is a silly, make believe, straw man position. There is no politically correct boogeyman coming to strip white males of their rights.

With the violent intimidation tactics being used by some BLM activists I wouldn't be so sure. Familiarize yourself with 1930's Berlin and learn how the brownshirts were a precursor to the Nazi's rise to power. Some of the stuff I'm seeing today looks awfully familiar to what happened back then. The Germans never thought it could happen in their country either.

Wow cool. Please don't equate BLM with Nazi's at least to me. I am very familiar with 1930s Berlin. I lost much of my family in the Holocaust and definitely believe it cheapens any real debate about what is going on in the US right now to make any parallel to either side of US politics and one of the great evils of history. BLM definitely has challenging elements, but I think you are showing a tact and any real knowledge of history by trying to equate the real struggle of blacks as a minority at present to the white majority in Berlin blaming Jews for their economic hardship.

I'm not equating the real struggle of African Americans to anything. It's real and change is needed. I fully support the concept of BLM. What I have a problem with is certain parts of the movement. When i see innocent people being intimidated, threatened, and in many cases harmed, that's what i have a problem with. Some of these tactics are nearly exactly what the stormtroopers used when they were running around Germany strong arming people. And I'm not saying they are Nazi-like, I specifically said the brownshirts who were a precursor to the Nazi regime.

Please don't double down on your mistake. With the brownshirts it wasn't "certain parts of the movement" the whole movement was dedicated to terror, racism, and evil. The bad apples of BLM don't represent the movement as a whole and therefore any comparison to them and the Brownshirts is as stupid as comparing police in the USA to Brownshirts because of bad cops.

Doper, you're one of my favorite posters on this site. But you're crossing the line a bit there. Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm stupid or have made a mistake. I specifically told you what i had a problem with. I didn't generalize it into the whole movement. I said certain factions were using tactics that are very similar to what happened in Berlin. You're demonstrating some of the ignorance you're accusing me of.

No you did make a mistake. See my added edit to my previous post. Brownshirts were Nazis. They were created by the Nazi party. I don't think you're stupid. I think that drawing a line from Nazis to BLM is a stupid thing to do. We all have made mistakes like you are now. Feel free to correct yourself if you want. But calling me ignorant because of your pride isn't going to change anything.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Cool, you're in Portland? Sorry to hear given the climate there.

doper, like the others said, it's about consistency. Like Q said, if you replace the word "white" with "black" and reverse who is saying it, I think we all know it would have been front page news in the NBA for a while, and would have been called out as super racist, not even using the slang term that you were originally suggesting.

I don't think any of us care too much about the term white boy, but we also agree that the intent is to be condescending, and it's a race-based condescending term. If we've learned anything in 2020, it doesn't have to be the majority that are offended by something, it can be the minority. As others mentioned, the Adams comment was years ago when we were in a different world as it pertains to political correctness on words.

On China the NBA definitely shows themselves to be total hypocrites. From the Hong Kong incident to the NBA China training academies where abuse of young children was taking place, the NBA not only didn't take a firm stance condemning it, but also tried to quiet the reporters reporting about it. They don't want bad press. It's all about the money, as always. It's also much of the reason I haven't watched a minute of playoff basketball this season.

I guess overall my expectation is that the NBA should be either taking a proactive stance as they pretend they are, and make sure they're applying their stance equally across all creeds or take a passive stance and avoid the topic altogether and let the players talk their trash and not dramamaticize every moment.

I get it. Its outrage about hypothetical consistency.
I'm thankful that most white players in the nba understand that language has context and typically dont make racial slurs. Like I already said, Im not going to get angry about a scenario that could potentially happen to a white player. I think that is a silly, make believe, straw man position. There is no politically correct boogeyman coming to strip white males of their rights.

With the violent intimidation tactics being used by some BLM activists I wouldn't be so sure. Familiarize yourself with 1930's Berlin and learn how the brownshirts were a precursor to the Nazi's rise to power. Some of the stuff I'm seeing today looks awfully familiar to what happened back then. The Germans never thought it could happen in their country either.

Wow cool. Please don't equate BLM with Nazi's at least to me. I am very familiar with 1930s Berlin. I lost much of my family in the Holocaust and definitely believe it cheapens any real debate about what is going on in the US right now to make any parallel to either side of US politics and one of the great evils of history. BLM definitely has challenging elements, but I think you are showing a tact and any real knowledge of history by trying to equate the real struggle of blacks as a minority at present to the white majority in Berlin blaming Jews for their economic hardship.

I'm not equating the real struggle of African Americans to anything. It's real and change is needed. I fully support the concept of BLM. What I have a problem with is certain parts of the movement. When i see innocent people being intimidated, threatened, and in many cases harmed, that's what i have a problem with. Some of these tactics are nearly exactly what the stormtroopers used when they were running around Germany strong arming people. And I'm not saying they are Nazi-like, I specifically said the brownshirts who were a precursor to the Nazi regime.

Please don't double down on your mistake. With the brownshirts it wasn't "certain parts of the movement" the whole movement was dedicated to terror, racism, and evil. The bad apples of BLM don't represent the movement as a whole and therefore any comparison to them and the Brownshirts is as stupid as comparing police in the USA to Brownshirts because of bad cops.

Doper, you're one of my favorite posters on this site. But you're crossing the line a bit there. Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm stupid or have made a mistake. I specifically told you what i had a problem with. I didn't generalize it into the whole movement. I said certain factions were using tactics that are very similar to what happened in Berlin. You're demonstrating some of the ignorance you're accusing me of.

No you did make a mistake. See my added edit to my previous post. Brownshirts were Nazis. They were created by the Nazi party. I don't think you're stupid. I think that drawing a line from Nazis to BLM is a stupid thing to do. We all have made mistakes like you are now. Feel free to correct yourself if you want. But calling me ignorant because of your pride isn't going to change anything.

Oh my goodness. No matter what I say, the fact you're convinced I'm equating BLM to Nazi Germany is going to get us no where. I'm not going to try and explain myself again, but to be clear, that is not what I was doing.

Here is what I do believe. An ignorant population is the DNC's greatest asset.