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TeamRicky wrote:Towns is close to a no brainer. He's the consensus best player among scouts and he's the best fit for the team. I'll puke if we take Russell, he could be Evan Turner 2.0.


I am with you on Towns but comparing Russell to Turner is a little unfair. Russell put up similar stats as a freshman as Tirner did as a Junior. Imo they are on different levels as prospects. Imo to take Russell he has to be for sure the BPA and you have a plan to move a young player.

As for Rubio if you pick Russell I think you have a year to see how things pan out with all those guys but Martin would need to be moved. Rubio's injuries are legit concerns but he is young enough he could get past them and like Q said the guy is valuable and I think he is one of those guys that just helps you win but we don't know that for sure. I don't think it would be hard to find a taker for Rubio if that was what needed to happen.
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If I'm not mistaken Turner was a jr. coming out...his freshman numbers
27.1 min/g
8.5 pts
4.4 rb
2.6 ast
2.7 TO
1.3 stl
.5 blk
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Q12543 wrote:
slimcalhoun27 wrote:Q...I agree....but his lack of scoring and poor shooting is more of a liability then his potential to get others to score in my opinion. Add his health issues, and Im tired of having a guy who doesnt stay on the court, and can barely knock down a 15 foot old man Sam Cassel jumper.


The injuries are a concern, no doubt, but just go look back at his On/Off numbers over the past couple of seasons. It's startling to see the type of difference he makes when on the court. Are we competitive when he's on the court? The answer is YES. Are we competitive when he is on the bench? The answer is a resounding NO. He's a massive difference maker, regardless of his flaws.


This is why I DO discount the shooting argument that everyone keeps ripping Rubio for. Rubio's far from a perfect player, but people overvalue scoring ...or maybe it's undervalue basketball IQ and passing. Additionally, he's a very good rebounder for the position. When measuring Ricky vs today's scoring PG, you absolutely have to use the on/off court metrics.
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The Rage Monster wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
The Rage Monster wrote:The excitement is real! Now the pressure is on, assuming we keep the pick we need to get it right since we have our choice of everyone available. We need to take the best player regardless of position or the media's idea of who should be #1.

Right now I'm thinking that Okafor is the guy. I'm not a big fan of comparisons because 2 players never really turn out the same but the Duncan comparison seems accurate, at least offensively. Defensively the comparison breaks down, they're similar in size and athleticism but Duncan seems to play a little longer and has good timing on rotations when protecting the rim.


It would be worthwhile to compare their freshman years in college. Duncan averaged almost 4 blocks a game his freshman year and his college career. Okafor averaged 1.4 at Duke. That's a pretty big difference. Just sayin


I agree, that's why I said the comparison breaks down. In my opinion the only thing that separates the 2 players is timing on the rotations, it's not like trying to compare Okafor to a typical rim protector like Howard. The big if is if Okafor can learn when to rotate and get a feel for the timing of when to go up. I'm sure if KG is back year to mentor the young guys Okafor's defense will improve to Duncan levels.


Some interesting stuff on Duncan's freshman year scoring.

He was 4th in FG attempts on that team there were 2 players that each took almost twice as many shots as Duncan. Despite all that he scored almost 10ppg as the 4th option. Not bad especially considering...

2. Wake was 219th in scoring that year scoring under 72 ppg. Duke was one of the top scoring teams in the nation at over 78 ppg

3. Okafor was the top dog on his team getting the most FGAs and therefor scoring the most points. He only had to beat out some decent upperclassman and some fellow freshman for shots.

It's fun to look back at some of this stuff and part of it makes you appriciate players from the past. It's interesting stuff to compare prospects from years past to know you can take some things but probably only so much.

I've said it before we are pretty hard on Okafor (that comes with being a top pick) he is still a young player that obviously can improve but it sounds like there are plenty of NBA minds that are worried about his defense and sorry I am not buying KG coaching players up. I'm glad KG is here and he would be great to work with one of these bigs but it's always this myth that whatever a guy's weakness is he can learn improve be taught whatever. Sure but its a weakness and until they show improvement I'm going to stay a little skeptical especially when Okafor doesn't play physical when I saw him. Thats probably the thing that bothers me the most actually.
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I've just got to say YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go wolves.

Okafor is my guy. Trading Rubio is crazy talk now that he will have a legit big who rolls to the basket. Wiggins, Bazz, Lavine and a good trade chip in Martin. Things are continuing to move in the right direction since we lost Love.
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News flash: Okafor's not a player that excels in P&R. He'll do so in order to get a post feed. He wasn't even used in P&R with Jones that often at Duke. I think I saw a stat that said less than 10 times, but I can't fully guarantee that one.

The P&R guy that you want is Towns. I'm sure you'll fight me on that one, though. Ugh.
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Camden wrote:News flash: Okafor's not a player that excels in P&R. He'll do so in order to get a post feed. He wasn't even used in P&R with Jones that often at Duke. I think I saw a stat that said less than 10 times, but I can't fully guarantee that one.

The P&R guy that you want is Towns. I'm sure you'll fight me on that one, though. Ugh.


I think the 10 times thing was from the CanisHoopus article on Tyus. I don't recall exactly, but I think that was referring to the # of times that he was involved in P&R with Tyus directly, but I could be mistaken.
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Camden0916 wrote:News flash: Okafor's not a player that excels in P&R. He'll do so in order to get a post feed. He wasn't even used in P&R with Jones that often at Duke. I think I saw a stat that said less than 10 times, but I can't fully guarantee that one.

The P&R guy that you want is Towns. I'm sure you'll fight me on that one, though. Ugh.


There's no fight. You'll come around when he starts to dominate and say you saw it all along.
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mrhockey89 wrote:
Camden wrote:News flash: Okafor's not a player that excels in P&R. He'll do so in order to get a post feed. He wasn't even used in P&R with Jones that often at Duke. I think I saw a stat that said less than 10 times, but I can't fully guarantee that one.

The P&R guy that you want is Towns. I'm sure you'll fight me on that one, though. Ugh.


I think the 10 times thing was from the CanisHoopus article on Tyus. I don't recall exactly, but I think that was referring to the # of times that he was involved in P&R with Tyus directly, but I could be mistaken.


That could certainly be it. I do know from watching a bunch of Duke games, though, that P& wasn't heavily used with Okafor, or used at all with Okafor. Putting him in space on the move wasn't really his strength.

Against Mich St I can recall of one very specific play where he slipped a screen, the pass was dropped off to him and could have went to the rim with it, but he caught the ball, eventually turned his back and went into post-up mode. That's where he feels comfortable.

Towns on the other hand... He's a guy that you can play P&R with because that's how he was used for the majority of his career including some national team play. He's made for that type of game, including the P&P aspect.
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Chad Ford @chadfordinsider · 3h 3 hours ago

Expect the Magic, Kings, Pistons and Hornets to seriously consider trading their picks. All 4 want to accelerate rebuild

So...maybe a Euro-league MVP + Martin + #31 or #36 could get us to one of these picks?
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