PorkChop wrote:Marcus Smart would come here and leave the same way Butler did. He plays a certain way and when he looks around and sees his teammates not giving the same effort he sees himself giving he'll want out.
He's a good player but not sure about the fit and definitely not the main piece in a trade for the first pick.
Wait, weren't you a big Ricky Rubio basher! MarcusSmart's shooting numbers are worse in every category and you call him a "good player."
I never said Rubio wasn't a decent player. Only that his shortcomings were really affecting this team. I mean was I wrong about the guy? He's gonna have a career where he probably plays on 6-8 teams by the time it's over. So no I don't think Rubio's shortcomings affected the team any more than the guys he played with like Wiggs, Lavine, Bazz, etc.
Smart has some intangibles that I really like. He's tough and plays hard nose defense and from what I've seen can create a lil bit going to the basket. Of course I like him more in a sixth man role. I don't think he'd put up with Towns and D R lack of interest in Defense tho.
6-8 teams? Pure conjecture on your part. Meanwhile, DLO at a younger age is on his fourth team while Ricky is on his third, so DLO must be a scrub then. Shortcomings? Only if you focus purely on his shooting. But his playmaking elevated the offense and he was a pretty good defender, didn't turn the ball over a lot, rebounded well and may have the best plus minus ratings of any Wolf in the post-KG era, with the possible exception of Kevin Love. I don't agree with you that Rubio's shortcoming adversely affected the Wolves any more than the shortcomings of Wiggins, Lavine, Bazz etc.
Ricky continues to do what he has always done - make the team of players he's with play better. He's done this now with Minnesota, Utah, and Phoenix. It's been statistically proven over the course of multiple seasons with multiple teams at this point.
PorkChop wrote:Marcus Smart would come here and leave the same way Butler did. He plays a certain way and when he looks around and sees his teammates not giving the same effort he sees himself giving he'll want out.
He's a good player but not sure about the fit and definitely not the main piece in a trade for the first pick.
Wait, weren't you a big Ricky Rubio basher! MarcusSmart's shooting numbers are worse in every category and you call him a "good player."
I never said Rubio wasn't a decent player. Only that his shortcomings were really affecting this team. I mean was I wrong about the guy? He's gonna have a career where he probably plays on 6-8 teams by the time it's over. So no I don't think Rubio's shortcomings affected the team any more than the guys he played with like Wiggs, Lavine, Bazz, etc.
Smart has some intangibles that I really like. He's tough and plays hard nose defense and from what I've seen can create a lil bit going to the basket. Of course I like him more in a sixth man role. I don't think he'd put up with Towns and D R lack of interest in Defense tho.
6-8 teams? Pure conjecture on your part. Meanwhile, DLO at a younger age is on his fourth team while Ricky is on his third, so DLO must be a scrub then. Shortcomings? Only if you focus purely on his shooting. But his playmaking elevated the offense and he was a pretty good defender, didn't turn the ball over a lot, rebounded well and may have the best plus minus ratings of any Wolf in the post-KG era, with the possible exception of Kevin Love. I don't agree with you that Rubio's shortcoming adversely affected the Wolves any more than the shortcomings of Wiggins, Lavine, Bazz etc.
I never said he adversely affected the team more or less than those guys.
PorkChop wrote:Marcus Smart would come here and leave the same way Butler did. He plays a certain way and when he looks around and sees his teammates not giving the same effort he sees himself giving he'll want out.
He's a good player but not sure about the fit and definitely not the main piece in a trade for the first pick.
Wait, weren't you a big Ricky Rubio basher! MarcusSmart's shooting numbers are worse in every category and you call him a "good player."
I never said Rubio wasn't a decent player. Only that his shortcomings were really affecting this team. I mean was I wrong about the guy? He's gonna have a career where he probably plays on 6-8 teams by the time it's over. So no I don't think Rubio's shortcomings affected the team any more than the guys he played with like Wiggs, Lavine, Bazz, etc.
Smart has some intangibles that I really like. He's tough and plays hard nose defense and from what I've seen can create a lil bit going to the basket. Of course I like him more in a sixth man role. I don't think he'd put up with Towns and D R lack of interest in Defense tho.
6-8 teams? Pure conjecture on your part. Meanwhile, DLO at a younger age is on his fourth team while Ricky is on his third, so DLO must be a scrub then. Shortcomings? Only if you focus purely on his shooting. But his playmaking elevated the offense and he was a pretty good defender, didn't turn the ball over a lot, rebounded well and may have the best plus minus ratings of any Wolf in the post-KG era, with the possible exception of Kevin Love. I don't agree with you that Rubio's shortcoming adversely affected the Wolves any more than the shortcomings of Wiggins, Lavine, Bazz etc.
I never said he adversely affected the team more or less than those guys. And opinions on a message board are all conjecture. At least in my eyes. But I respect your opinion!!
Quickley is someone to consider at 33 if we are looking to add a shooter. Shot 42.8% threes and his free throw shooting is elite too at 92.3%. Another plus is that he is a Kentucky product. He has a very quick release and his shot lives up to his name.
Q12543 wrote:Ricky continues to do what he has always done - make the team of players he's with play better. He's done this now with Minnesota, Utah, and Phoenix. It's been statistically proven over the course of multiple seasons with multiple teams at this point.
Do you think Phoenix holds onto him for the foreseeable future?
Q12543 wrote:Ricky continues to do what he has always done - make the team of players he's with play better. He's done this now with Minnesota, Utah, and Phoenix. It's been statistically proven over the course of multiple seasons with multiple teams at this point.
Do you think Phoenix holds onto him for the foreseeable future?
I think Phoenix is happy with him, but he did just turn 30 yesterday and he is the oldest starter on the Suns by far, so the Suns are likely to go for a point guard in the draft.
Q12543 wrote:Ricky continues to do what he has always done - make the team of players he's with play better. He's done this now with Minnesota, Utah, and Phoenix. It's been statistically proven over the course of multiple seasons with multiple teams at this point.
Do you think Phoenix holds onto him for the foreseeable future?
I think Phoenix is happy with him, but he did just turn 30 yesterday and he is the oldest starter on the Suns by far, so the Suns are likely to go for a point guard in the draft.
So in a league that puts a higher value on scoring from the perimeter and namely the pg position where would he go to start and hold down the position long term? I don't think there is a team. Hence him being a journeyman veteran presence. Which likely means he will do his share of moving around.
Q12543 wrote:Ricky continues to do what he has always done - make the team of players he's with play better. He's done this now with Minnesota, Utah, and Phoenix. It's been statistically proven over the course of multiple seasons with multiple teams at this point.
TheFuture wrote:Hypothetically, Ainge wants to move up to #1 for Wiseman. What other assets would you want from the Celtics along with Smart for #1 and JJ?
Smart doesn't do anything for me. The only player on Boston I want that might be available would be Jaylen Brown. Rumors last off season was that he could be had for the right price. He had a terrific season this year though, so he probably isn't available. I haven't seen what draft picks Boston owns, but they usually own several so I suppose if they throw in enough picks I would look at it.
Brown and Tatum are likely their two untouchables.
What about Smart do you not like for this team?
The better question is what about Smart is worth trading the first overall pick for? Granted, I know you're suggesting a package deal, but he would be the headliner, no? That's just not good enough.
Not to mention, his role on this team is already filled by Josh Okogie and Jarrett Culver, albeit at a lesser level. Too much redundancy.
Okogie definitely does not play the same role. Culver you can argue for.
Smart is a far better defender than both immediately, still young, and plays in an as an immediate compliment to our core.
I would do Smart, 14, 26 (maybe 30 aldo?) in a heartbeat.
Again, a hypothetical.
We have nothing to lose at the moment outside or DLO and KAT.
