Camden0916 wrote:Very quietly, Ricky shot 36.1-percent from three last season albeit on low volume. With the league average three-point percentage being 35.8-percent last season you could argue that Rubio is now an above average shooter. Who saw that coming?
Man, I miss watching Ricky.
I really enjoyed that Ricky, Love, Pek trio.
I enjoyed Ricky's first year or two. After that, Adelman took the fun out of his game.
I feel like Adelman's structured offense was good for the team, but bad for Rubio's creativity and freedom to be flashy. I agree that he was a different during those years.
It's a shame we weren't able to acquire any actually talented athletes during Rubio's early time here. An Amare type with him, along with a few true knockdown shooters, would have been so fun to watch.
Instead he was stuck with Wes, Shabazz, Brewer, Randolph, Williams, and plodding bigs like Pek, Love, and Dieng.
Pek fit well with Rubio and I think Love did too. They just really lacked another perimeter guy that was either and elite shooter or bucket getter. Kevin Martin was the closest thing they had imagine if Flip would have been able to land Reddick instead. He would have been really good with that group. Pek and Love would have had fun crushing people on random screens while JJ ran all over the place. Adelman was really good for Love he got more out of him than anyone. I do agree he may not have been best for Rubio but I do think the roster was lacking and had some unfortunate things happen that kept it from being more...including Adelman himself with his wife's illness...maybe Adelman would have figured out how to get the best out of Rubio and Love etc if it wasn't for that. How many games did Adelman actually coach a totally healthy Rubio? Remember Adelman missed some games as a coach because of his wife's illness.
Rick Adelman would actually be a really good head coach for this current group... It's a shame he's 74 years old and been away from the league for a while. We were ninth in ORtg and 12th in DRtg in 2013 under his watch. That wasn't the most talented team either. That 40-42 record looks more like a coaching masterpiece the more we get further from it.
Looking at that roster...I wish we had kept Luc Mbah a Moute around. I couldn't remember why we moved on from him and I looked up his history and he was moved in the Love Trade. Something I had forgotten about was in 2015 the Kings signed him and then voided his contract due to a failed physical. He was not happy about that and played for team Africa that summer. The Clippers signed him and he went on to be a key role player for them for a couple years and then for the Rockets his last effective year in the league. The Kings missed out on having a really solid player probably for not a whole lot of money.
Camden0916 wrote:Very quietly, Ricky shot 36.1-percent from three last season albeit on low volume. With the league average three-point percentage being 35.8-percent last season you could argue that Rubio is now an above average shooter. Who saw that coming?
Man, I miss watching Ricky.
I really enjoyed that Ricky, Love, Pek trio.
I enjoyed Ricky's first year or two. After that, Adelman took the fun out of his game.
I feel like Adelman's structured offense was good for the team, but bad for Rubio's creativity and freedom to be flashy. I agree that he was a different during those years.
It's a shame we weren't able to acquire any actually talented athletes during Rubio's early time here. An Amare type with him, along with a few true knockdown shooters, would have been so fun to watch.
Instead he was stuck with Wes, Shabazz, Brewer, Randolph, Williams, and plodding bigs like Pek, Love, and Dieng.
Pek fit well with Rubio and I think Love did too. They just really lacked another perimeter guy that was either and elite shooter or bucket getter. Kevin Martin was the closest thing they had imagine if Flip would have been able to land Reddick instead. He would have been really good with that group. Pek and Love would have had fun crushing people on random screens while JJ ran all over the place. Adelman was really good for Love he got more out of him than anyone. I do agree he may not have been best for Rubio but I do think the roster was lacking and had some unfortunate things happen that kept it from being more...including Adelman himself with his wife's illness...maybe Adelman would have figured out how to get the best out of Rubio and Love etc if it wasn't for that. How many games did Adelman actually coach a totally healthy Rubio? Remember Adelman missed some games as a coach because of his wife's illness.
Rick Adelman would actually be a really good head coach for this current group... It's a shame he's 74 years old and been away from the league for a while. We were ninth in ORtg and 12th in DRtg in 2013 under his watch. That wasn't the most talented team either. That 40-42 record looks more like a coaching masterpiece the more we get further from it.
What a crazy season that was.
As you note... the team was 9th in ORtg and were in the top 10 for DRtg for almost the entire season. I can't recall another NBA team that finished that highly in both categories and not only didn't make the playoffs... but didn't even reach .500. The Wolves history is filled with these types of statistical anomalies.
Classic front-running team. They had many blowout wins... and so many close losses. The 4th quarter stats were atrocious. The team never figured out whether to go with Rubio or Barea to close games. Both sucked in the 4th quarters. Basketballreference.com had the Expected W/L at 48 - 34.
Kevin Love finished 3rd in Win Shares... only one other player finished that highly on a team below .500 in 20+ years.
Camden0916 wrote:Very quietly, Ricky shot 36.1-percent from three last season albeit on low volume. With the league average three-point percentage being 35.8-percent last season you could argue that Rubio is now an above average shooter. Who saw that coming?
Man, I miss watching Ricky.
I really enjoyed that Ricky, Love, Pek trio.
I enjoyed Ricky's first year or two. After that, Adelman took the fun out of his game.
I feel like Adelman's structured offense was good for the team, but bad for Rubio's creativity and freedom to be flashy. I agree that he was a different during those years.
It's a shame we weren't able to acquire any actually talented athletes during Rubio's early time here. An Amare type with him, along with a few true knockdown shooters, would have been so fun to watch.
Instead he was stuck with Wes, Shabazz, Brewer, Randolph, Williams, and plodding bigs like Pek, Love, and Dieng.
Pek fit well with Rubio and I think Love did too. They just really lacked another perimeter guy that was either and elite shooter or bucket getter. Kevin Martin was the closest thing they had imagine if Flip would have been able to land Reddick instead. He would have been really good with that group. Pek and Love would have had fun crushing people on random screens while JJ ran all over the place. Adelman was really good for Love he got more out of him than anyone. I do agree he may not have been best for Rubio but I do think the roster was lacking and had some unfortunate things happen that kept it from being more...including Adelman himself with his wife's illness...maybe Adelman would have figured out how to get the best out of Rubio and Love etc if it wasn't for that. How many games did Adelman actually coach a totally healthy Rubio? Remember Adelman missed some games as a coach because of his wife's illness.
Rick Adelman would actually be a really good head coach for this current group... It's a shame he's 74 years old and been away from the league for a while. We were ninth in ORtg and 12th in DRtg in 2013 under his watch. That wasn't the most talented team either. That 40-42 record looks more like a coaching masterpiece the more we get further from it.
What a crazy season that was.
As you note... the team was 9th in ORtg and were in the top 10 for DRtg for almost the entire season. I can't recall another NBA team that finished that highly in both categories and not only didn't make the playoffs... but didn't even reach .500. The Wolves history is filled with these types of statistical anomalies.
Classic front-running team. They had many blowout wins... and so many close losses. The 4th quarter stats were atrocious. The team never figured out whether to go with Rubio or Barea to close games. Both sucked in the 4th quarters. Basketballreference.com had the Expected W/L at 48 - 34.
Kevin Love finished 3rd in Win Shares... only one other player finished that highly on a team below .500 in 20+ years.
Isn't that team the highest pts differential to never make the playoffs in NBA History
Camden0916 wrote:Very quietly, Ricky shot 36.1-percent from three last season albeit on low volume. With the league average three-point percentage being 35.8-percent last season you could argue that Rubio is now an above average shooter. Who saw that coming?
Man, I miss watching Ricky.
I really enjoyed that Ricky, Love, Pek trio.
I enjoyed Ricky's first year or two. After that, Adelman took the fun out of his game.
I feel like Adelman's structured offense was good for the team, but bad for Rubio's creativity and freedom to be flashy. I agree that he was a different during those years.
It's a shame we weren't able to acquire any actually talented athletes during Rubio's early time here. An Amare type with him, along with a few true knockdown shooters, would have been so fun to watch.
Instead he was stuck with Wes, Shabazz, Brewer, Randolph, Williams, and plodding bigs like Pek, Love, and Dieng.
Pek fit well with Rubio and I think Love did too. They just really lacked another perimeter guy that was either and elite shooter or bucket getter. Kevin Martin was the closest thing they had imagine if Flip would have been able to land Reddick instead. He would have been really good with that group. Pek and Love would have had fun crushing people on random screens while JJ ran all over the place. Adelman was really good for Love he got more out of him than anyone. I do agree he may not have been best for Rubio but I do think the roster was lacking and had some unfortunate things happen that kept it from being more...including Adelman himself with his wife's illness...maybe Adelman would have figured out how to get the best out of Rubio and Love etc if it wasn't for that. How many games did Adelman actually coach a totally healthy Rubio? Remember Adelman missed some games as a coach because of his wife's illness.
Rick Adelman would actually be a really good head coach for this current group... It's a shame he's 74 years old and been away from the league for a while. We were ninth in ORtg and 12th in DRtg in 2013 under his watch. That wasn't the most talented team either. That 40-42 record looks more like a coaching masterpiece the more we get further from it.
What a crazy season that was.
As you note... the team was 9th in ORtg and were in the top 10 for DRtg for almost the entire season. I can't recall another NBA team that finished that highly in both categories and not only didn't make the playoffs... but didn't even reach .500. The Wolves history is filled with these types of statistical anomalies.
Classic front-running team. They had many blowout wins... and so many close losses. The 4th quarter stats were atrocious. The team never figured out whether to go with Rubio or Barea to close games. Both sucked in the 4th quarters. Basketballreference.com had the Expected W/L at 48 - 34.
Kevin Love finished 3rd in Win Shares... only one other player finished that highly on a team below .500 in 20+ years.
Isn't that team the highest pts differential to never make the playoffs in NBA History
I believe so. That was such a disappointing year for me. We were blowing put teams more times than I have seen as a wolves. We put a number of games away at the 3rd quarter. But we also suffer a whole bunch of close losses. We were like 0-12 in games decided by 4pt or something like that.
It was such an anomaly where we were destroying every non playoff and lottery teams but loss every important game to playoff teams.
Yeah, it was one of the funnest teams to watch in Wolves history because they absolutely could blow the doors open on teams. But at the same time one of the most frustrating because of all of those close losses.
I always defended those close losses as "bad luck" whereas others blamed the players for being "not clutch". The reality is they had a bunch of close losses in the beginning of the year - 0 and 11 to be precise - but then after that went on to go 6-2 in close games. Many of those games were still very much relevant to our playoff hopes, so this wasn't just in the waning days of the season.
Bottom-line is that no franchise can be this bad without a combination of managerial incompetence AND bad luck. That season was bad luck IMHO.
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, it was one of the funnest teams to watch in Wolves history because they absolutely could blow the doors open on teams. But at the same time one of the most frustrating because of all of those close losses.
I always defended those close losses as "bad luck" whereas others blamed the players for being "not clutch". The reality is they had a bunch of close losses in the beginning of the year - 0 and 11 to be precise - but then after that went on to go 6-2 in close games. Many of those games were still very much relevant to our playoff hopes, so this wasn't just in the waning days of the season.
Bottom-line is that no franchise can be this bad without a combination of managerial incompetence AND bad luck. That season was bad luck IMHO.
We tend to agree... but I think we used to argue about that team!
My point was always that the damage was already done. There was no playoff race.
The Wolves finished 8 games back... from the #9 seed.
[Note: The Wolves would have had the 4th best points differential in the East.]
Discussing deal of 1 culver okogie reid james johnson evans and spellman fo ben simmons
No word about the kitchen sink, too?
I'd definitely be up for that trade either way... just seems like a lot of players for the 76ers to add unless there are several additional moves along with it...
I feel pretty confident that Ben Simmons won't be traded unless James Harden or Bradley Beal are heading back to Philadelphia. The Sixers are in win now mode as much as anyone else in the league.
FWIW last night I watched the Tracking the Wolves videos of the Wolves Bubble practices or whatever. James Johnson looks like an old man because he dyed his hair white or grey or something. Lol he looks in terrific shape though he doesn't look in any danger of having issues with the weight that kept him from playing early on with Miami last year. I think Johnson can be a real asset on the floor for whoever has him. I would not be upset if it was the Wolves playing him a decent chunk of minutes at least to start the year.
