WildWolf2813 wrote:Obi Toppin would make the Wolves the Dominican Republic's new favorite team lol and while he'd be fun to watch (I compare him to Antawn Jamison), the Wolves couldn't be anything less than a top 3 offensive team to justify the points they'll give up.
Oh. Ok. I'd do this trade... I like this trade and I'm not even a "Promise of Hope" guy.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.20551866.321544294.1603716955-1548837638.1603386898#mock
Trade #1 to Charlotte for #3 and Charlotte's 2022 (unprotected) 1st.
But why stop there? This is supposed to be a three-man tier at the top, but each has polarizing potential and legit downsides. And there are prospects later that offer great promise. So... trade down again... this time from #3. Get more assets.
[Note: This also helps in justifying the Wolves choosing Haliburton. I'd like to see him in a Timberwolves jersey.]
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Oh. Ok. I'd do this trade... I like this trade and I'm not even a "Promise of Hope" guy.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.20551866.321544294.1603716955-1548837638.1603386898#mock
Trade #1 to Charlotte for #3 and Charlotte's 2022 (unprotected) 1st.
But why stop there? This is supposed to be a three-man tier at the top, but each has polarizing potential and legit downsides. And there are prospects later that offer great promise. So... trade down again... this time from #3. Get more assets.
[Note: This also helps in justifying the Wolves choosing Haliburton. I'd like to see him in a Timberwolves jersey.]
I wouldn't mind it if Rosas decided he has no clear favorite at the top. I do, but obviously I defer to him, the scouts, and the millions they pour into scouting. I'm unsure if I would rather have their future pick or PJ Washington though. I also agree that if he trades out once, might as well trade back again. I don't mind the Deni pick, I much prefer him at #3 than Ball if Edwards and Wiseman are gone.
Camden wrote:In a perfect world -- where the Wolves can't acquire an All-Star player for their picks -- they'd draft James Wiseman first overall and use some combination of 17, 33, Omari Spellman, Jacob Evans, and Jarred Vanderbilt to move up in the draft to nab Devin Vassell.
That's a perfect world. I'd lose my mind if that were to happen.
Ending up with Wiseman and Vassell without giving up Culver, Okogie or any future picks would be a home run in my view.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Oh. Ok. I'd do this trade... I like this trade and I'm not even a "Promise of Hope" guy.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.20551866.321544294.1603716955-1548837638.1603386898#mock
Trade #1 to Charlotte for #3 and Charlotte's 2022 (unprotected) 1st.
But why stop there? This is supposed to be a three-man tier at the top, but each has polarizing potential and legit downsides. And there are prospects later that offer great promise. So... trade down again... this time from #3. Get more assets.
[Note: This also helps in justifying the Wolves choosing Haliburton. I'd like to see him in a Timberwolves jersey.]
I don't ever really understand these trades. Why is Charlotte giving up an unprotected 1st round pick to move up 2 spots? Completely unprotected picks don't get sent out often and when they go with another top 3 pick it's for a superstar caliber player. The Mavs saw Doncic as a star and even they only gave up a protected first round pick along with Young. I just don't get where these trade ideas come from because it's not reality.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Oh. Ok. I'd do this trade... I like this trade and I'm not even a "Promise of Hope" guy.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.20551866.321544294.1603716955-1548837638.1603386898#mock
Trade #1 to Charlotte for #3 and Charlotte's 2022 (unprotected) 1st.
But why stop there? This is supposed to be a three-man tier at the top, but each has polarizing potential and legit downsides. And there are prospects later that offer great promise. So... trade down again... this time from #3. Get more assets.
[Note: This also helps in justifying the Wolves choosing Haliburton. I'd like to see him in a Timberwolves jersey.]
I don't ever really understand these trades. Why is Charlotte giving up an unprotected 1st round pick to move up 2 spots? Completely unprotected picks don't get sent out often and when they go with another top 3 pick it's for a superstar caliber player. The Mavs saw Doncic as a star and even they only gave up a protected first round pick along with Young. I just don't get where these trade ideas come from because it's not reality.
Fultz for Tatum had an unprotected 1st attached to move up 2 spots.
Agreed it's a little rare but it's happened in recent history
Star Tribune had an article a couple weeks back where Rosas was quoted as saying that he won't use the first pick to draft for any perceived need. The team is to far from really competing to do that. Right now filling needs will be done thru Free agency or trades.
If he is speaking the truth does that change anyone's opinion on how the first pick plays out?
PorkChop wrote:Star Tribune had an article a couple weeks back where Rosas was quoted as saying that he won't use the first pick to draft for any perceived need. The team is to far from really competing to do that. Right now filling needs will be done thru Free agency or trades.
If he is speaking the truth does that change anyone's opinion on how the first pick plays out?
James Wiseman is the best talent, best prospect in the draft as far as I'm concerned. Draft him and figure it out later. As for trades and free agency, I assume they'll target role players via those options and draft the likeliest star. Who that will be is on them, but for me it's Wiseman.
PorkChop wrote:Star Tribune had an article a couple weeks back where Rosas was quoted as saying that he won't use the first pick to draft for any perceived need. The team is to far from really competing to do that. Right now filling needs will be done thru Free agency or trades.
If he is speaking the truth does that change anyone's opinion on how the first pick plays out?
James Wiseman is the best talent, best prospect in the draft as far as I'm concerned. Draft him and figure it out later. As for trades and free agency, I assume they'll target role players via those options and draft the likeliest star. Who that will be is on them, but for me it's Wiseman.
I gotta believe Wiseman is also the one that is the most coveted prospect, even if not the most popular.
What I mean by that is if you were to poll all of the other teams on who they would take #1, Wiseman would get no more votes than perhaps Edwards or Ball. But if you were to then follow up that question with how intensely they feel about making that pick, the Wiseman fans would want him more than the Edwards and Ball fans would want their prospect.
Therefore, I think we have the most to gain by drafting him, whether we keep him or not.
PorkChop wrote:Star Tribune had an article a couple weeks back where Rosas was quoted as saying that he won't use the first pick to draft for any perceived need. The team is to far from really competing to do that. Right now filling needs will be done thru Free agency or trades.
If he is speaking the truth does that change anyone's opinion on how the first pick plays out?
James Wiseman is the best talent, best prospect in the draft as far as I'm concerned. Draft him and figure it out later. As for trades and free agency, I assume they'll target role players via those options and draft the likeliest star. Who that will be is on them, but for me it's Wiseman.
I gotta believe Wiseman is also the one that is the most coveted prospect, even if not the most popular.
What I mean by that is if you were to poll all of the other teams on who they would take #1, Wiseman would get no more votes than perhaps Edwards or Ball. But if you were to then follow up that question with how intensely they feel about making that pick, the Wiseman fans would want him more than the Edwards and Ball fans would want their prospect.
Therefore, I think we have the most to gain by drafting him, whether we keep him or not.
Interesting thoughts guys.
The way I view things is that the reality is the "need" on this team is to some extent almost everywhere. Russell has played off the ball so really the only spot you have to really think too hard about is whether or not Towns can play with another big in some way shape or form. Of course as well all know defense might be the biggest need and a really good defensive center would have biggest impact there. As for position PF and A true SF sized guy is what this team doesn't really have in terms of guys that project to even be good starters. To me the reality is I don't think it's hard for Rosas to simply pick BPA regardless of fit because...there are needs.
Having said that the roster has a lot of options at SG/guard in general. There are a lot of options there with some reasonable merit of guys that could be at least serviceable starters. When it comes to PF/C it's really just Towns and Reid. Sure I like Vanderbilt but I'm not gonna factor him in at this point especially when we are considering taking someone else #1. It's not hard to make a case for Wiseman based on the roster makeup.
One factor that I think works in the Wolves favor and against Beasley this offseason is that even without adding draft picks they have 3 young potential SGs that could take that spot even if Beasley were to walk. Okogie, Culver and Nowell. Rosas if he is wise isn't over a barrel to HAVE to keep Beasley and the team is likely to draft another guy or add as a undrafted/2 way player that can play there too. Rosas brought in Beasley so theoretically he is more invested in keeping him so it will be his first test to see how objective he is. Same to some extent with Juancho. Again with Beasley on the roster drafting a big instead of another guard makes some sense. I think Edwards could play some SF at least until that wing group got sorted out but that's not ideal. This all is Part of why I ended up finally voting Wiseman in "What will Rosas do if we keep the pick" thread.
