Would you do Beasley for Collins

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

For those that still can't see the forest through the trees. No, DLO and KAT playing together are not going to significantly impact our win total. Do we really need to see it to know that?

Based on what?

Three things:
1) I've seen DLO play
2) We're not much better if at all with him on the court vs off
3) I have a brain

That's a relatively bold thing to say without more evidence than what you provided. Those two have played 115 minutes together over this season and last. There's just not enough basketball that's been played to come to your conclusion and none that would suggest the Wolves aren't legitimately better when they are together.

[FNG]

While I tend to think Cool is right that this particular Rosas experiment is doomed to fail, it's true that opinions for or against its ultimate success are based on conjecture, not real life, because the frailty (or bad luck? who knows) of our two max players hasn't allowed us to truly evaluate how they will play together. But of course I'm a long-suffering Wolves fan and am clinging to the 5% chance that it might work out...I guess that's what being a Wolves fan is all about.

[Monster]

While I tend to think Cool is right that this particular Rosas experiment is doomed to fail, it's true that opinions for or against its ultimate success are based on conjecture, not real life, because the frailty (or bad luck? who knows) of our two max players hasn't allowed us to truly evaluate how they will play together. But of course I'm a long-suffering Wolves fan and am clinging to the 5% chance that it might work out...I guess that's what being a Wolves fan is all about.

Agreed

It's also not JUST about those 2 guys. There has been other problems as well. Honestly even though I want to watch some of the players on the team and even though my expectations are low...I haven't been able to bring myself to do so.

[Coolbreeze44]

For those that still can't see the forest through the trees. No, DLO and KAT playing together are not going to significantly impact our win total. Do we really need to see it to know that?

Based on what?

Three things:
1) I've seen DLO play
2) We're not much better if at all with him on the court vs off
3) I have a brain

That's a relatively bold thing to say without more evidence than what you provided. Those two have played 115 minutes together over this season and last. There's just not enough basketball that's been played to come to your conclusion and none that would suggest the Wolves aren't legitimately better when they are together.

That's what I do on this forum, say bold things. Some things are obvious to me that may not jive with everybody else's opinions. Personally I don't need to see the two play together more to know it's not going to work. If I'm ultimately wrong I will admit it.

[FNG]

While I tend to think Cool is right that this particular Rosas experiment is doomed to fail, it's true that opinions for or against its ultimate success are based on conjecture, not real life, because the frailty (or bad luck? who knows) of our two max players hasn't allowed us to truly evaluate how they will play together. But of course I'm a long-suffering Wolves fan and am clinging to the 5% chance that it might work out...I guess that's what being a Wolves fan is all about.

Agreed

It's also not JUST about those 2 guys. There has been other problems as well. Honestly even though I want to watch some of the players on the team and even though my expectations are low...I haven't been able to bring myself to do so.

I encourage you to give them another chance after the break, Monster...not because they are going to magically start winning (although hope springs eternal), but more because I think you will find them entertaining. They lost me (and most of the rest of the clinger-ons here) in that horrible Charlotte loss, but I'm actually a little excited about the second half of the season. Here's what has my attention:

1) the possibility of a deal (since this is the purpose of this thread) that will bring in a PF like Collins or Nance and rebalance this roster by reducing the wing glut.
2) curiosity about how different we might look after Finch has had a chance to practice for 10 days, with an emphasis on new rotations and accountability/development of Ant
3) The relentless energy of Vando, and the surprising maturity/polish of McDaniels' game
4) The return of Rubio over the past 10 games to his 2020 performance after a dreadful start to the season.
5) KAT's ceiling this season with continued recovery from wrist/recovery and Finch insistence that our offense run through KAT.
6) The remarkable efficiency of Naz in the pick and roll...among the best in the league.

Yeah, we're 7-29. But my list above is a lot to keep me interested.

At least until the next round of blowouts...

[thedoper]

Remember when national media made it appear like Andrew Wiggins had revolutionized his game in Golden State? Woof. He's the same guy he's always been if not slightly worse this year. I don't miss him for a second.

I'd like him at 15ish mil per year.

[AbeVigodaLive]

For those that still can't see the forest through the trees. No, DLO and KAT playing together are not going to significantly impact our win total. Do we really need to see it to know that?

Based on what?

Three things:
1) I've seen DLO play
2) We're not much better if at all with him on the court vs off
3) I have a brain

That's a relatively bold thing to say without more evidence than what you provided. Those two have played 115 minutes together over this season and last. There's just not enough basketball that's been played to come to your conclusion and none that would suggest the Wolves aren't legitimately better when they are together.

That's what I do on this forum, say bold things. Some things are obvious to me that may not jive with everybody else's opinions. Personally I don't need to see the two play together more to know it's not going to work. If I'm ultimately wrong I will admit it.

We all opined about the trade before we ever saw them on the court together.

I don't think Cool dug it at the time. So there's no reason he'd have to change his opinion to a "let's wait and see" take over what's transpired in the past year.

We make all sorts of opinions here from prized draft prospects to potential trades to second-guessing coaching rotations. That's what we do.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

For those that still can't see the forest through the trees. No, DLO and KAT playing together are not going to significantly impact our win total. Do we really need to see it to know that?

Based on what?

Three things:
1) I've seen DLO play
2) We're not much better if at all with him on the court vs off
3) I have a brain

That's a relatively bold thing to say without more evidence than what you provided. Those two have played 115 minutes together over this season and last. There's just not enough basketball that's been played to come to your conclusion and none that would suggest the Wolves aren't legitimately better when they are together.

That's what I do on this forum, say bold things. Some things are obvious to me that may not jive with everybody else's opinions. Personally I don't need to see the two play together more to know it's not going to work. If I'm ultimately wrong I will admit it.

We all opined about the trade before we ever saw them on the court together.

I don't think Cool dug it at the time. So there's no reason he'd have to change his opinion to a "let's wait and see" take over what's transpired in the past year.

We make all sorts of opinions here from prized draft prospects to potential trades to second-guessing coaching rotations. That's what we do.

Fair. I guess I'd just like to get more than "I have a brain" as part of his reasoning. I've had enough thorough basketball debates with Cool to know that he can do better than that.

Anyways...

[Wolvesfan21]

For those that still can't see the forest through the trees. No, DLO and KAT playing together are not going to significantly impact our win total. Do we really need to see it to know that?

Based on what?

Three things:
1) I've seen DLO play
2) We're not much better if at all with him on the court vs off
3) I have a brain

That's a relatively bold thing to say without more evidence than what you provided. Those two have played 115 minutes together over this season and last. There's just not enough basketball that's been played to come to your conclusion and none that would suggest the Wolves aren't legitimately better when they are together.

That's what I do on this forum, say bold things. Some things are obvious to me that may not jive with everybody else's opinions. Personally I don't need to see the two play together more to know it's not going to work. If I'm ultimately wrong I will admit it.

Define "work out." The roster as it currently stands is not good enough even with those two healthy to make the playoffs in my opinion. We had several players flat out fall on their face this season so far. Culver, JO and Rubio.

I honestly did not see all three of those guys going backwards and being terrible for the most part.

Ant is second to last in the league in win shares, basically the more he plays the greater chance the Wolves have to lose. He has shown flashes of brilliance, but those flashes are too rare and I was hoping he would be at least a little better overall at this point on both sides of the ball.

DLO himself when healthy has been subpar even based on his own career.

So I mean with all those problems I think it explains quite easily why the Wolves have the worst record. Not even mentioning that both KAT and DLO have missed significant time. But this is about the overall team, not just those two.

The players besides those two have been very disappointing. Maybe we've had a few highlights with Beasley mostly playing solid and seeing nice things from McDaniels for where he was picked. But you can't have a roster full of underachievers despite their age.

[Wolvesfan21]

Remember when national media made it appear like Andrew Wiggins had revolutionized his game in Golden State? Woof. He's the same guy he's always been if not slightly worse this year. I don't miss him for a second.

I'd like him at 15ish mil per year.

I wonder where the guys are that were arguing to keep him at Max money are. I would have let him walk personally, his inefficiency on offense was a glaring hole. Which makes his 25 PPG or whatever he was avg even worse! You don't want high PPG if your player does it at a poor level!!! That's a negative.