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monsterpile wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Dudes if Chicago had that deal on the table it would be Dunn. A perennial all star for a backup point guard and an unknown? That isn't happening and i can't believe i have to point it out.

Something tells me the Bulls reporter is more connected than you

Bloop, you're a smart guy. You can't be serious with this. There's a better chance of the Easter Bunny coming to my 4th of July celebration than that trade going down.

You can say the exact same thing about the Cousins trade not too long ago, stop assuming every NBA GM is a genius. Again this is being talked about by the Bulls reporter this isnt just a pipe dream anymore.

I think it is going to take more.

But the wolves traded an all star in love for a backup PF and an unknown in Wiggins.

Cousins was traded for Hield and #10

Gorgui?

Anthony Bennett was the backup pf

They got Thad Young too.

They traded a 1st for thad not k love

khans2k5 wrote:It all depends who's available at 7. If Jackson or Tatum fall, 7+Dunn likely is good enough to get Jimmy.

But if one of those guys fall do you want to deal for Butler or just keep them?

monsterpile wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:It all depends who's available at 7. If Jackson or Tatum fall, 7+Dunn likely is good enough to get Jimmy.

But if one of those guys fall do you want to deal for Butler or just keep them?

Deal for Jimmy Butler because he is a for sure thing.

I don't think 7 and Dunn is enough either but the point of the deal they did last season might not have been too good is Worth considering. Of course a while after the trade the team played its best basketball of the year so...what does that mean? :) it would be interesting to know what Dunn's value is around the league. My guess is it isn't super high but I bet some teams would consider him a nice enough part of a package deal or something.

khans2k5 wrote:It all depends who's available at 7. If Jackson or Tatum fall, 7+Dunn likely is good enough to get Jimmy.

NFW

The one thing that legit concerns me about if we trade for Butler for whatever it is.

How will this affect wiggins game. He probably moves to the 3rd option on the team and the 2nd wing alpha. If he is not the main scoring wing threat does his focus go. Or does his defense increase because he can play less minutes and dosen't need to carry the offensive load?

Lavine and dunn for butler? What the bulls offered last year.

Draft isaac at 7.

Five for future of

Rubio
Wiggins
Butler
Isaac
Towns

Damn near could switch anything.

Would love dunn and 7 better but doubt it.

kekgeek1 wrote:The one thing that legit concerns me about if we trade for Butler for whatever it is.

How will this affect wiggins game. He probably moves to the 3rd option on the team and the 2nd wing alpha. If he is not the main scoring wing threat does his focus go. Or does his defense increase because he can play less minutes and dosen't need to carry the offensive load?

I think Butler's presence probably helps Wiggins in two ways. First, Butler would draw defensive attention away from Wiggins and make Wiggins even more effective on the offensive end. Second, Butler's an excellent defender who would likely guard the opposing team's best wing, thus reducing Wiggins defensive burden. I have no doubt the team gets immediately better with Butler even if we end up trading LaVine to get him (provided we don't give up KAT or Wiggins). However, let's not kid ourselves. We were a 31-win team last season. Butler isn't going to elevate this team into title contention or even the top 5. And I still have doubts about his ability to stay healthy over the course.

Word appoint the League is that the Celtics aren't intersted in Butler even though they clearly have the assets to get him without disrupting their core or completely depleting their plethora of future draft picks. Interesting that the team with the best record in the East isn't interested in acquiring Butler. Danny Ainge has proven to be a pretty savvy GM. If Danny isn't interested acquiring Butler to augment an already top contender in the East, I wonder why a 31-win team like the Wolves would give up any significant assets to get him. Teams don't seem to be breaking down the door to get Butler. The Cavs were apparently intersted, but that may no longer be the case after Gilbert fired the GM who was actively pursing Butler.

So I'm open to the possibility of acquiring Butler and Thibs should certainly talk to the Bulls about possible deals to get him. But if it were up to me, I wouldn't give up a lot to get him. I'd go as far as offering #7 and Ricky for Butler, Rondo and the Bulls 2nd round pick. I don't expect that the Bulls would do the deal, but it would of course depend on who's available at #7. If Tatum, Jackson or Isaac were available at #7 I could see the Bulls doing that deal, but I'm not sure the Wolves should.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:It all depends who's available at 7. If Jackson or Tatum fall, 7+Dunn likely is good enough to get Jimmy.

NFW

If Dunn/Lavine was enough to get the deal done last year, Dunn/Tatum or Jackson is enough to get it done this year. Dunn's value is lower, but so is Zach's as he's coming off a major knee injury and is a restricted free agent this summer aka no money savings for trading Butler. Meanwhile a Tatum or Isaac are considered top 5 prospects in a strong draft and they would be on a full rookie deal. That's why either of them are more valuable than Zach at this point.

Lip, I agree that Butler immediately helps in several ways. I also agree that it doesn't vault us into title contention (although I do think when you bring in very impactful veterans, they can change the culture quite a bit and make it easier on the young players, specifically on the defensive end).

I am not concerned about the Celtics not going after Butler. I think it's just a matter of they want to go after Gordon Hayward in free agency and trading for Butler would not only take assets, but also cap space and likely prohibit them from going after Hayward in FA.

We may actually pose the best trade option for Chicago if they're looking to deal Butler at this point, and the good news for us is that if a deal is going to get done, it'll happen by draft time this Thursday most likely since the Bulls would likely want to get a top 10 pick in this draft.

Regardless of who is available at #7, I think Thibs would trade any of our PGs (Ricky or Dunn) along with that pick in a heartbeat to get Butler back in return. I, like you, was concerned about Butler not playing full seasons...but then I checked the last 5 years or so, and he's actually ended up being pretty durable in recent years (60-82 games approx) each year. Perfect? Nope, but better than a lot of players. I think if Thibs can get Butler without giving up Lavine, Towns, and Wiggins, he will.