kekgeek1 wrote:D'Angelo Russell incorrectly got labeled a ball-dominant player in Brooklyn. At Ohio State he thrived on and off-ball; those skills just weren't needed for the Nets like they are with the Warriors. From 3 DLo is 41% off screens, 36% off handoffs. DLo can thrive with Steph & Klay.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:Allegedly...
The Wolves were cool with trading Covington + Brooklyn's lottery pick + Minnesota's high lottery pick for D. Russell...
... and it wasn't good enough? I know the Wolves need to do SOMETHING. But yikes. Whether they get Russell now or in the offseason is irrelevant anyway. That's huge haul to give up for somebody who obviously prefers not to play here.
He could have simply signed in the offseason and the team he'd be joining wouldn't be so decimated.
monsterpile wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:Allegedly...
The Wolves were cool with trading Covington + Brooklyn's lottery pick + Minnesota's high lottery pick for D. Russell...
... and it wasn't good enough? I know the Wolves need to do SOMETHING. But yikes. Whether they get Russell now or in the offseason is irrelevant anyway. That's huge haul to give up for somebody who obviously prefers not to play here.
He could have simply signed in the offseason and the team he'd be joining wouldn't be so decimated.
What's the source for this?
AbeVigodaLive wrote:monsterpile wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:Allegedly...
The Wolves were cool with trading Covington + Brooklyn's lottery pick + Minnesota's high lottery pick for D. Russell...
... and it wasn't good enough? I know the Wolves need to do SOMETHING. But yikes. Whether they get Russell now or in the offseason is irrelevant anyway. That's huge haul to give up for somebody who obviously prefers not to play here.
He could have simply signed in the offseason and the team he'd be joining wouldn't be so decimated.
What's the source for this?
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/2/3/21121918/trade-deadline-dangelo-russell-clint-capela-robert-covingtonKevin O'Connor from The Ringer.
sjm34 wrote:I have heard all kinds of ridiculous trade offers. I can only see this as "the grass is always greener." I just don't see a huge difference between Wig and DLO. A first round pick that is lottery protected, I could live with, but nothing more.
Unfortunately we have another PBO who will always be negotiating from a position of weakness because he has implemented a system that players have to conform to, rather than getting a intelligent coach and letting him design a system around the talent that we have. There is no reason that this team shouldn't be competing for a PO spot right now.
KAT and DLO will never contend for a title, but once this deal is completed it will spell the doom of the wolves in Minny. Three seasons from now when this team has failed to win, we will see KAT and DLO crying about being traded and Rosas shown the door. At that point Rosas will have decimated our future on ridiculous trades to build around two incredibly soft players. We can only hope during that time, DLO's value in the league will be crushed.
Why on earth would you be looking at a guy that didn't want to play here? Rosas' answer is to sell our future to get him here anyway. Say what you want about Kahn, but at least he was smart enough to not force guys onto the team, that only wanted to get out.
Taylor finding a buyer is the only hope at this point.
KiwiMatt wrote:sjm34 wrote:I have heard all kinds of ridiculous trade offers. I can only see this as "the grass is always greener." I just don't see a huge difference between Wig and DLO. A first round pick that is lottery protected, I could live with, but nothing more.
Unfortunately we have another PBO who will always be negotiating from a position of weakness because he has implemented a system that players have to conform to, rather than getting a intelligent coach and letting him design a system around the talent that we have. There is no reason that this team shouldn't be competing for a PO spot right now.
KAT and DLO will never contend for a title, but once this deal is completed it will spell the doom of the wolves in Minny. Three seasons from now when this team has failed to win, we will see KAT and DLO crying about being traded and Rosas shown the door. At that point Rosas will have decimated our future on ridiculous trades to build around two incredibly soft players. We can only hope during that time, DLO's value in the league will be crushed.
Why on earth would you be looking at a guy that didn't want to play here? Rosas' answer is to sell our future to get him here anyway. Say what you want about Kahn, but at least he was smart enough to not force guys onto the team, that only wanted to get out.
Taylor finding a buyer is the only hope at this point.
Exactly.
DLO chose to sign with GSW over us. We would be mad to give up 1st round picks to get him here when we could have just potentially signed him outright six months ago.
Unfortunately that's what this franchise does. Makes bad decisions after bad decisions. 'Buy high and sell low' should be their motto.
I'd offer them:
Covington, Dieng and 2nd rounder for DLO
or
Wiggins and 2nd rounder for DLO
If they decline so be it. Move on.
sjm34 wrote:I have heard all kinds of ridiculous trade offers. I can only see this as "the grass is always greener." I just don't see a huge difference between Wig and DLO.
sjm34 wrote:KAT and DLO will never contend for a title, but once this deal is completed it will spell the doom of the wolves in Minny.
sjm34 wrote:Why on earth would you be looking at a guy that didn't want to play here?
sjm34 wrote:Taylor finding a buyer is the only hope at this point.
monsterpile wrote:
"Say what you want about Kahn, but at least he was smart enough to not force guys onto the team, that only wanted to get out."
You must have forgotten about Kahn and Rambis Flying out and begging Darko to come back and play giving him a bunch of money and he was basically wanting to be done. So...no Kahn wasn't any better in that regard.
The Wolves have a lot of interest in Russell and Rosas and some of the guys he hired worked under Morey who basically calls and calls and calls and calls and calls and calls and calls and calls and calls and calls....you get the picture. Just because you are aggressive doesn't mean you are just going to give up everything to get what you want. The Wolves may have to find what GS wants in the deal. They may need to be creative. It might work. Remember the Harden deal took lots of time to end up happening. Russell isn't like my to be the next Harden...he might be more of the next Kyrie but I can see it making sense to go after him. He is playing a big role but playing with crappy talent around him and...his efficiency has gone even higher.
TheSP wrote:sjm34 wrote:I have heard all kinds of ridiculous trade offers. I can only see this as "the grass is always greener." I just don't see a huge difference between Wig and DLO.
I think Wiggins has the higher ceiling, but at this point it's crazy the think he'll every play at that level with the consistency they need from him. DLO has his shortcomings for sure, but what he does he seems to do well and with consistency.
sjm34 wrote:KAT and DLO will never contend for a title, but once this deal is completed it will spell the doom of the wolves in Minny.
If KAT and DLO give them two consistently great offensive players they can focus on defensive players who are good but don't need to be great on the offensive end. It's the Wolves so I don't expect it to work, but at least they'd have players who could be counted on to do what they do every night.
With Wiggins they'll always have a chance if he's interested that night, but they'll never be able to count on it.
sjm34 wrote:Why on earth would you be looking at a guy that didn't want to play here?
Why would you want someone insane enough to choose the Wolves and Minnesota winters over the Warriors and California weather? Clearly, that person would be certifiably insane!!! I'm only half joking... more like 1/4... or 1/8... or less.
sjm34 wrote:Taylor finding a buyer is the only hope at this point.
Yes!
