Mikkeman wrote:Garnett has still at least two elite skills. Team defense and defensive rebounding. His Drtg numbers in last two years have been 100.5 and 102.5 with most minutes played in pretty bad Brooklyn team. Those are pretty good numbers compared what Wolves rotational players have had in last couple of years. (Better than Rubio's numbers for example)
Also if you check Garnett's defensive rebounding rate from advanced stats, it is still in same (or acually even better) level than during his prime years. Last year it was 31.1 and in previous year it was 32.1. Both numbers were better than numbers during his all star years.
KG cannot rebound anymore. Wide open rebounds? Sure. Anything contested? No he's very bad
Now you're just trolling....
Did you not watch him get pushed aside by Gasol in the Bulls game?
Yes, I remember that well. A team typically rebounds between 70-80% of their opponent's misses, so yeah, sometimes he's going to get out-battled. KG is currently rebounding 30% of opponent misses by himself! That's elite and it can't all come from free throw misses!
Again, you're just trolling him.
Just to repeat my post from above in case you missed it
good there's actually a stat on NBA.com on KG's rebounds. only 21% of his rebounds have been contested. Compare that to Towns which 45% of his rebounds have been contested.
I think that says more about Towns than it does KG. Plus, I'm not even sure how they measure "contested". What if KG just tips it to himself because he is so much longer than anyone else as opposed to ripping it out of another guy's hands?
Says it right on there. Contested is when there's a defender within 3 feet of him. In case you think it's just Towns well Dieng is at 43%, even Belly is higher at 37%.
Well, you are indeed correct then and I apologize for calling you a troll, although I still think you are underestimating the overall positive impact KG is having (and this is coming from someone who has traditionally made fun of the KG signing!).
Fair enough, While there might be positives, there are certainly negatives as well, including misnomers about things he does. I think the thing is people generally wanna be positives things about what they are told about people. Me? I tend to believe all the negatives. To be fair though, this franchise has broken me to the point where I probably will never be able to trust or appreciate anything they do until they win a title or something along those lines.
Mikkeman wrote:Garnett has still at least two elite skills. Team defense and defensive rebounding. His Drtg numbers in last two years have been 100.5 and 102.5 with most minutes played in pretty bad Brooklyn team. Those are pretty good numbers compared what Wolves rotational players have had in last couple of years. (Better than Rubio's numbers for example)
Also if you check Garnett's defensive rebounding rate from advanced stats, it is still in same (or acually even better) level than during his prime years. Last year it was 31.1 and in previous year it was 32.1. Both numbers were better than numbers during his all star years.
KG cannot rebound anymore. Wide open rebounds? Sure. Anything contested? No he's very bad
Now you're just trolling....
Did you not watch him get pushed aside by Gasol in the Bulls game?
Whoa there fella!
Check out Pau's left hand, and it might give you a clue as to why KG couldn't go up for the rebound.
I noticed that on replays as well. Pau gave KG a pretty good shove in the back. Luckily karma prevailed. But I must say I thought the Wolves got a fair shake from the refs throughout the game!
But to alex's point, and as supportive as I am for KG's token minutes, KG has lost any sort of explosiveness. He does not rebound anything like he used to. But he is still an asset on the court, IMO. I really don't understand the negativity towards KG getting his token minutes.
Now that Wiggins is healthy sure looks like he can play the 2. Kudos to same for looking for his best opportunity for a mismatch. Once Bazz finds his way into the starting lineup look out.
Mikkeman wrote:Garnett has still at least two elite skills. Team defense and defensive rebounding. His Drtg numbers in last two years have been 100.5 and 102.5 with most minutes played in pretty bad Brooklyn team. Those are pretty good numbers compared what Wolves rotational players have had in last couple of years. (Better than Rubio's numbers for example)
Also if you check Garnett's defensive rebounding rate from advanced stats, it is still in same (or acually even better) level than during his prime years. Last year it was 31.1 and in previous year it was 32.1. Both numbers were better than numbers during his all star years.
KG cannot rebound anymore. Wide open rebounds? Sure. Anything contested? No he's very bad
Now you're just trolling....
Did you not watch him get pushed aside by Gasol in the Bulls game?
Yes, I remember that well. A team typically rebounds between 70-80% of their opponent's misses, so yeah, sometimes he's going to get out-battled. KG is currently rebounding 30% of opponent misses by himself! That's elite and it can't all come from free throw misses!
Again, you're just trolling him.
Just to repeat my post from above in case you missed it
good there's actually a stat on NBA.com on KG's rebounds. only 21% of his rebounds have been contested. Compare that to Towns which 45% of his rebounds have been contested.
I think that says more about Towns than it does KG. Plus, I'm not even sure how they measure "contested". What if KG just tips it to himself because he is so much longer than anyone else as opposed to ripping it out of another guy's hands?
Says it right on there. Contested is when there's a defender within 3 feet of him. In case you think it's just Towns well Dieng is at 43%, even Belly is higher at 37%.
Well, you are indeed correct then and I apologize for calling you a troll, although I still think you are underestimating the overall positive impact KG is having (and this is coming from someone who has traditionally made fun of the KG signing!).
My numbers were from last year and year before that. This year there is not yet enough data to make any conclusions but since his defensive rebounding level has been remaining same level already years, I won't expect that it would drop a lot this year either.
Even though KG grabs a lot of uncontested rebounds, he still has a positive impact on teams defensive rebounding. In 13-14 season, Nets had DRB% 76.7 with Garnett and 70.6 without him, last season's numbers were 75.7 and 73.2.
Love Mitchell's post game audio from last night. He's so transparent and gives great insight on Wiggins. I said in the win predictions thread we may get up to 10 wins just from his abilities as a motivator. I think we are in a very similar state that GS was with Jackson and the young guys they have. Everyone can see that Mitchell (like Jackson) is not a brilliant tactician. But he is such a great man with a passion to instill effort in his players. I don't think he is a championship coach, but for a young crew just discovering their identity I really like the match. Much like Mark Jackson was. We may have to consider a more seasoned guy eventually, but for right now I think that Mitchell is doing and saying all the right things.
Love Mitchell's post game audio from last night. He's so transparent and gives great insight on Wiggins. I said in the win predictions thread we may get up to 10 wins just from his abilities as a motivator. I think we are in a very similar state that GS was with Jackson and the young guys they have. Everyone can see that Mitchell (like Jackson) is not a brilliant tactician. But he is such a great man with a passion to instill effort in his players. I don't think he is a championship coach, but for a young crew just discovering their identity I really like the match. Much like Mark Jackson was. We may have to consider a more seasoned guy eventually, but for right now I think that Mitchell is doing and saying all the right things.
We would be lucky if Mitchell does what Jackson did. If all that's missing is tactics they need to hire a smart guy to do that. Maybe that guy is already on the bench. It turns out that the guy GS should have hired is Luke Walton he has taken that team to a whole new level. lol
