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[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

Jason Kidd was a distributor

Jason Kidd was a 10 time AS that led his team to the playoffs 17 years in a row. Just saying.

[mrhockey89]

Pekovic could be a cornerstone/key player on this team if he could stay healthy. Unfortunately, his health has actually gotten LESS reliable since we extended him to the big contract. And he's not played enough this year to gain any consistency.

Ricky wouldn't be a role player on any team. He's a ball dominant playmaker. He makes plays, mostly for teammates, he creates havoc on the defensive end, and you'd be hard to find anyone who would consider a player that controls the tempo as much as Ricky does as a role player. Whether you like his game or you hate his game, there isn't a team in the league that he would be able to be considered a role player on based on his current style of play. Now if we were playing like Barcalona did, then you could say that, but that's just crazy talk.

[Porckchop]

Pekovic could be a cornerstone/key player on this team if he could stay healthy. Unfortunately, his health has actually gotten LESS reliable since we extended him to the big contract. And he's not played enough this year to gain any consistency.

Ricky wouldn't be a role player on any team. He's a ball dominant playmaker. He makes plays, mostly for teammates, he creates havoc on the defensive end, and you'd be hard to find anyone who would consider a player that controls the tempo as much as Ricky does as a role player. Whether you like his game or you hate his game, there isn't a team in the league that he would be able to be considered a role player on based on his current style of play. Now if we were playing like Barcalona did, then you could say that, but that's just crazy talk.[/quote

If Peks injury history limits him as a cornerstone why does Rickys get a pass?

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Pekovic could be a cornerstone/key player on this team if he could stay healthy. Unfortunately, his health has actually gotten LESS reliable since we extended him to the big contract. And he's not played enough this year to gain any consistency.

Ricky wouldn't be a role player on any team. He's a ball dominant playmaker. He makes plays, mostly for teammates, he creates havoc on the defensive end, and you'd be hard to find anyone who would consider a player that controls the tempo as much as Ricky does as a role player. Whether you like his game or you hate his game, there isn't a team in the league that he would be able to be considered a role player on based on his current style of play. Now if we were playing like Barcalona did, then you could say that, but that's just crazy talk.[/quote

If Peks injury history limits him as a cornerstone why does Rickys get a pass?

Since Rubio came into the league, he's played 202 games.

In that same timeframe, Pek has played 194.

So Rubios played 8 more games then Pek

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Pekovic could be a cornerstone/key player on this team if he could stay healthy. Unfortunately, his health has actually gotten LESS reliable since we extended him to the big contract. And he's not played enough this year to gain any consistency.

Ricky wouldn't be a role player on any team. He's a ball dominant playmaker. He makes plays, mostly for teammates, he creates havoc on the defensive end, and you'd be hard to find anyone who would consider a player that controls the tempo as much as Ricky does as a role player. Whether you like his game or you hate his game, there isn't a team in the league that he would be able to be considered a role player on based on his current style of play. Now if we were playing like Barcalona did, then you could say that, but that's just crazy talk.[/quote

If Peks injury history limits him as a cornerstone why does Rickys get a pass?

Ricky has clearly missed a lot of games in his career, so It's a fair question, porkchop. But I see a huge difference in Rubio's injury history and Pek's. Ricky has missed time primarily because of two horrible injuries...injuries that made us wince when we watched them and that would have sidelined any NBA player. We have no reason to believe that these injuries will continue in the future. On the other hand, has anyone ever winced at something that happened on the court to Pek? His injuries come from normal activity, not a specific incident like Ricky's. One moment Pek is playing well, and the next we see him grimacing running down the court even though nothing unusual has happened. And then he is out for another 20 games.

The difference is we all know that Pek will continue to have injuries the rest of his career...we don't know that about Ricky. That's why Ricky gets a pass.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Pekovic could be a cornerstone/key player on this team if he could stay healthy. Unfortunately, his health has actually gotten LESS reliable since we extended him to the big contract. And he's not played enough this year to gain any consistency.

Ricky wouldn't be a role player on any team. He's a ball dominant playmaker. He makes plays, mostly for teammates, he creates havoc on the defensive end, and you'd be hard to find anyone who would consider a player that controls the tempo as much as Ricky does as a role player. Whether you like his game or you hate his game, there isn't a team in the league that he would be able to be considered a role player on based on his current style of play. Now if we were playing like Barcalona did, then you could say that, but that's just crazy talk.[/quote

If Peks injury history limits him as a cornerstone why does Rickys get a pass?

Ricky has clearly missed a lot of games in his career, so It's a fair question, porkchop. But I see a huge difference in Rubio's injury history and Pek's. Ricky has missed time primarily because of two horrible injuries...injuries that made us wince when we watched them and that would have sidelined any NBA player. We have no reason to believe that these injuries will continue in the future. On the other hand, has anyone ever winced at something that happened on the court to Pek? His injuries come from normal activity, not a specific incident like Ricky's. One moment Pek is playing well, and the next we see him grimacing running down the court even though nothing unusual has happened. And then he is out for another 20 games.

The difference is we all know that Pek will continue to have injuries the rest of his career...we don't know that about Ricky. That's why Ricky gets a pass.

I look at it a different way Long. Pek takes a pounding every night banging down low, so it makes sense that he might miss time. Rubio on the other hand, goes into the paint probably less then any point guard. He really doesn't take much pounding compared to others at his position, yet has missed almost as much time as Pek

[Phenom]

Pekovic could be a cornerstone/key player on this team if he could stay healthy. Unfortunately, his health has actually gotten LESS reliable since we extended him to the big contract. And he's not played enough this year to gain any consistency.

Ricky wouldn't be a role player on any team. He's a ball dominant playmaker. He makes plays, mostly for teammates, he creates havoc on the defensive end, and you'd be hard to find anyone who would consider a player that controls the tempo as much as Ricky does as a role player. Whether you like his game or you hate his game, there isn't a team in the league that he would be able to be considered a role player on based on his current style of play. Now if we were playing like Barcalona did, then you could say that, but that's just crazy talk.[/quote

If Peks injury history limits him as a cornerstone why does Rickys get a pass?

Ricky has clearly missed a lot of games in his career, so It's a fair question, porkchop. But I see a huge difference in Rubio's injury history and Pek's. Ricky has missed time primarily because of two horrible injuries...injuries that made us wince when we watched them and that would have sidelined any NBA player. We have no reason to believe that these injuries will continue in the future. On the other hand, has anyone ever winced at something that happened on the court to Pek? His injuries come from normal activity, not a specific incident like Ricky's. One moment Pek is playing well, and the next we see him grimacing running down the court even though nothing unusual has happened. And then he is out for another 20 games.

The difference is we all know that Pek will continue to have injuries the rest of his career...we don't know that about Ricky. That's why Ricky gets a pass.

I look at it a different way Long. Pek takes a pounding every night banging down low, so it makes sense that he might miss time. Rubio on the other hand, goes into the paint probably less then any point guard. He really doesn't take much pounding compared to others at his position, yet has missed almost as much time as Pek

Would Pek's ankles hold up better if he played on the perimeter? Or is he just not able to handle the constant running? That is the beating that Pek takes that has become the problem.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Pek just needs to cut down his weight plain and simple. That's the only way to alleviate the pressure constantly on his ankles and feet. Otherwise he just can't play more than 20 MPG's. Those are the two options at this point.

[mrhockey89]

Pekovic could be a cornerstone/key player on this team if he could stay healthy. Unfortunately, his health has actually gotten LESS reliable since we extended him to the big contract. And he's not played enough this year to gain any consistency.

Ricky wouldn't be a role player on any team. He's a ball dominant playmaker. He makes plays, mostly for teammates, he creates havoc on the defensive end, and you'd be hard to find anyone who would consider a player that controls the tempo as much as Ricky does as a role player. Whether you like his game or you hate his game, there isn't a team in the league that he would be able to be considered a role player on based on his current style of play. Now if we were playing like Barcalona did, then you could say that, but that's just crazy talk.[/quote

If Peks injury history limits him as a cornerstone why does Rickys get a pass?

Ricky has clearly missed a lot of games in his career, so It's a fair question, porkchop. But I see a huge difference in Rubio's injury history and Pek's. Ricky has missed time primarily because of two horrible injuries...injuries that made us wince when we watched them and that would have sidelined any NBA player. We have no reason to believe that these injuries will continue in the future. On the other hand, has anyone ever winced at something that happened on the court to Pek? His injuries come from normal activity, not a specific incident like Ricky's. One moment Pek is playing well, and the next we see him grimacing running down the court even though nothing unusual has happened. And then he is out for another 20 games.

The difference is we all know that Pek will continue to have injuries the rest of his career...we don't know that about Ricky. That's why Ricky gets a pass.

Pork raised a legitimate question, and LST replied with exactly what my thought is on that. Pek misses time because he has sore ankles from regular play. Ricky's sat out due to a blown ACL and a high ankle sprain, not general soreness. And because of this, we have more reason to believe that Pekovic is more likely to continue to miss time than Ricky. Ricky could definitely miss plenty of time in the future, but if he does, it won't be due to general soreness.

And I agree too with khans that Pekovic needs to drop some weight so that he can put less pressure on the ankles.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Pekovic could be a cornerstone/key player on this team if he could stay healthy. Unfortunately, his health has actually gotten LESS reliable since we extended him to the big contract. And he's not played enough this year to gain any consistency.

Ricky wouldn't be a role player on any team. He's a ball dominant playmaker. He makes plays, mostly for teammates, he creates havoc on the defensive end, and you'd be hard to find anyone who would consider a player that controls the tempo as much as Ricky does as a role player. Whether you like his game or you hate his game, there isn't a team in the league that he would be able to be considered a role player on based on his current style of play. Now if we were playing like Barcalona did, then you could say that, but that's just crazy talk.[/quote

If Peks injury history limits him as a cornerstone why does Rickys get a pass?

Ricky has clearly missed a lot of games in his career, so It's a fair question, porkchop. But I see a huge difference in Rubio's injury history and Pek's. Ricky has missed time primarily because of two horrible injuries...injuries that made us wince when we watched them and that would have sidelined any NBA player. We have no reason to believe that these injuries will continue in the future. On the other hand, has anyone ever winced at something that happened on the court to Pek? His injuries come from normal activity, not a specific incident like Ricky's. One moment Pek is playing well, and the next we see him grimacing running down the court even though nothing unusual has happened. And then he is out for another 20 games.

The difference is we all know that Pek will continue to have injuries the rest of his career...we don't know that about Ricky. That's why Ricky gets a pass.

Pork raised a legitimate question, and LST replied with exactly what my thought is on that. Pek misses time because he has sore ankles from regular play. Ricky's sat out due to a blown ACL and a high ankle sprain, not general soreness. And because of this, we have more reason to believe that Pekovic is more likely to continue to miss time than Ricky. Ricky could definitely miss plenty of time in the future, but if he does, it won't be due to general soreness.


And I agree too with khans that Pekovic needs to drop some weight so that he can put less pressure on the ankles.

Well I don't agree. He's had the worst ankle sprain of all time if that's what it truly was, and I'm pretty sure he's sitting now because of soreness. Rubio just doesn't seem to take contact well. These past few games that he did play, he seems to take hard fouls a lot worse then other players. I hate to use the word soft, but compared to other point guards, he probably is