What about Wiggins?

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Lipoli390
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KG4Ever wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:
sjm34 wrote:There are several problems, but first and foremost it is on the coaches for not holding him accountable on the court. How about taking him out of a game when not doing as he is told. Isn't that called coaching?

Why did Thibs give him the big deal?

How about the next time he takes a long two without reason (shot clock) the coach pulls him. Does it again and he doesn't start the next game. Neither of these have been tried in five years!

As for turnovers and fouls, he hasn't been getting any calls when driving the lane. I have watched replays with him getting fouled as many as four times by two different defenders without getting a call. It is a lot easier to turn the ball over when a guy grabs your elbow while dribbling.

I have no issue with is defense whatsoever.

Stop coddling him or trade him. Sitting around wishing for improvement is wasting everyone's time.


The stats say otherwise however. He is consistently, every year rated poorly defensively. He rebounds terribly, does not block nor get many steals either.
, If he could become avg on both ends I would be ecstatic.


Actually, his steal rate (1.0) and his block rate (.6) are average and above average.

Look at NBA.com's advanced stats for Defensive Rating and Net Rating and Wiggins's defense isn't nearly as terrible as you think. In fact, D'Angelo Russell's defensive rating and net rating were worse than Wiggins in 3 of the last 4 seasons and Lip calls Russell "elite" and Cam calls Russell a top 30 player. Go figure.


I don't think I've ever referred to D'Angelo Russell as "elite." If I did, I was under the influence of some mind-altering drug and I take my comment back. :) I have said that D. Russell was and all-star last season - and of course he was. But you might recall I wasn't enthusiastic about trading for him.
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KG4Ever wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:
sjm34 wrote:There are several problems, but first and foremost it is on the coaches for not holding him accountable on the court. How about taking him out of a game when not doing as he is told. Isn't that called coaching?

Why did Thibs give him the big deal?

How about the next time he takes a long two without reason (shot clock) the coach pulls him. Does it again and he doesn't start the next game. Neither of these have been tried in five years!

As for turnovers and fouls, he hasn't been getting any calls when driving the lane. I have watched replays with him getting fouled as many as four times by two different defenders without getting a call. It is a lot easier to turn the ball over when a guy grabs your elbow while dribbling.

I have no issue with is defense whatsoever.

Stop coddling him or trade him. Sitting around wishing for improvement is wasting everyone's time.


The stats say otherwise however. He is consistently, every year rated poorly defensively. He rebounds terribly, does not block nor get many steals either.
, If he could become avg on both ends I would be ecstatic.


Actually, his steal rate (1.0) and his block rate (.6) are average and above average.

Look at NBA.com's advanced stats for Defensive Rating and Net Rating and Wiggins's defense isn't nearly as terrible as you think. In fact, D'Angelo Russell's defensive rating and net rating were worse than Wiggins in 3 of the last 4 seasons and Lip calls Russell "elite" and Cam calls Russell a top 30 player. Go figure.


I have used basketball reference for advanced stats. His DRTG on there has been between 113-115 every season.

His ORTG entered a career low last season at 100. But has never been good reaching a high of 107.

He has been a net negative player VROP player as well.

According to these stats he is not avg. He is garbage.

Compared to some other players who are not considered even good, Here is Rudy Gay's and Nic Batum's stats comparatively-

DRTG career - Gay - 108 - Wiggins - 114 Batum - 108 Wiggins is by far the worst

ORTG career - Gay - 104 - Wiggins - 103 Batum - 110 Wiggins is the Worst

VROP career - Gay +18.9 Wiggins Negative 1.8- Batum +26.8 Wiggins is by far the worst
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WolvesFan trying to add credibility for my Batum for Wiggins trade idea...
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Read this comment from Wiggins today and you can see why he'll never come remotely close to reaching his potential or earning his contract:

"I feel like (2018-19) was an OK season," Wiggins told reporters in April. "Not the best, not the worst. It was OK. ... Just going up. Just getting better. That's the main thing, just not downgrading."

In other words, I'm happy with myself so long as I don't get worse.
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Wiggs working on his ft game.

https://twitter.com/thedailywolf/status/1165087043514511362?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1165087043514511362&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231165087043514511362
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