Hoiberg rumor-ish?

[Coolbreeze44]

Here is what I really don't like about Thibs as a prospective coach. It's showing big time tonight, and it's been a common thread throughout the playoffs, but this uber-talented Bulls team goes through long droughts where they just can't score. With as consistently as it happens, that's on the coach. You have to get some easy baskets if you're going to win a title, this Bulls team can't do it. I don't want a defensive savant with no concept of offense coaching my young Wolves. No way.

[Monster]

I suppose it's hard to say because we don't know how this team will fill out but based on what we have right now who would be your perfect coach for this team? It can be a coach from another team or even a guy no longer coaching. When we got Adelman I thought he was the perfect guy for the roster and it didn't work out but a lot of that was injury and age and his Wife's health as well. Who is THE guy you would love to have for this team?

[Lipoli390]

Hoiberg will be the Bulls head coach next season and Thibs will end up coaching the Pelicans. Oh, and Flip will coach the Wolves next season.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Here is what I really don't like about Thibs as a prospective coach. It's showing big time tonight, and it's been a common thread throughout the playoffs, but this uber-talented Bulls team goes through long droughts where they just can't score. With as consistently as it happens, that's on the coach. You have to get some easy baskets if you're going to win a title, this Bulls team can't do it. I don't want a defensive savant with no concept of offense coaching my young Wolves. No way.

I've always felt that offenses are built by the GM and defenses are built by the coach. It's not that a coach has zero influence on an offense, but their impact on a defense can be so much more dramatic. I'd take Thibs in a heartbeat.

[Coolbreeze44]

Here is what I really don't like about Thibs as a prospective coach. It's showing big time tonight, and it's been a common thread throughout the playoffs, but this uber-talented Bulls team goes through long droughts where they just can't score. With as consistently as it happens, that's on the coach. You have to get some easy baskets if you're going to win a title, this Bulls team can't do it. I don't want a defensive savant with no concept of offense coaching my young Wolves. No way.

I've always felt that offenses are built by the GM and defenses are built by the coach. It's not that a coach has zero influence on an offense, but their impact on a defense can be so much more dramatic. I'd take Thibs in a heartbeat.

I'd have to disagree Q. There is so much evidence that good offenses follow the coach. Don Nelson always had good offenses no matter where he coached. But it was only in Milwaukee that he had an elite defense. Paul Westhead, Dog Moe, and Mark Dantoni always had good offenses no matter where they coached, no matter who the GM was. Jeff Van Gundy was never going to have a great offense no matter who his GM was. But he was always going to have a great defense. Same with Thibs,, his defense's will always be good, but even Kiki Vandeweghe as his GM wouldn't produce a great offense.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Here is what I really don't like about Thibs as a prospective coach. It's showing big time tonight, and it's been a common thread throughout the playoffs, but this uber-talented Bulls team goes through long droughts where they just can't score. With as consistently as it happens, that's on the coach. You have to get some easy baskets if you're going to win a title, this Bulls team can't do it. I don't want a defensive savant with no concept of offense coaching my young Wolves. No way.

I've always felt that offenses are built by the GM and defenses are built by the coach. It's not that a coach has zero influence on an offense, but their impact on a defense can be so much more dramatic. I'd take Thibs in a heartbeat.

I'd have to disagree Q. There is so much evidence that good offenses follow the coach. Don Nelson always had good offenses no matter where he coached. But it was only in Milwaukee that he had an elite defense. Paul Westhead, Dog Moe, and Mark Dantoni always had good offenses no matter where they coached, no matter who the GM was. Jeff Van Gundy was never going to have a great offense no matter who his GM was. But he was always going to have a great defense. Same with Thibs,, his defense's will always be good, but even Kiki Vandeweghe as his GM wouldn't produce a great offense.

My point is that offense is more a factor of sheer talent and ability than something that is easily influenced by coaching strategies and tactics. Since GMs are responsible for assembling the talent, they are therefore more influential on team offense. A coach can take the raw goods and impact it up or down some, but there is more of a natural limit in my opinion of what they can do.

I believe the range of influence is much greater on defense. Yes, there are limits here too as it relates to the sheer talent and physical abilities given to the coach, but I still think the "elasticity" of defensive effectiveness is much more pliable for a coach.

(by the way, Thibs had the 5th ranked offense in the NBA in 2011-12 and D'Antoni's NYK teams were a bottom-half of the league offense for all but one of his seasons there. When he was in Phoenix, it probably helped that he had Nash and Stoudemire in their primes).

[Coolbreeze44]

Did you really take the time to look that up?

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Did you really take the time to look that up?

Indeed I did, I was curious.

(there is also this newfangled thing called "the internet". It allows for really fast access to certain types of information, data, and facts. You should try it sometime!)

[Coolbreeze44]

Did you really take the time to look that up?

Indeed I did, I was curious.

(there is also this newfangled thing called "the internet". It allows for really fast access to certain types of information, data, and facts. You should try it sometime!)

I didn't think you took me all that serious.

[MikkeMan]

My point is that offense is more a factor of sheer talent and ability than something that is easily influenced by coaching strategies and tactics. Since GMs are responsible for assembling the talent, they are therefore more influential on team offense. A coach can take the raw goods and impact it up or down some, but there is more of a natural limit in my opinion of what they can do.

I believe the range of influence is much greater on defense. Yes, there are limits here too as it relates to the sheer talent and physical abilities given to the coach, but I still think the "elasticity" of defensive effectiveness is much more pliable for a coach.

(by the way, Thibs had the 5th ranked offense in the NBA in 2011-12 and D'Antoni's NYK teams were a bottom-half of the league offense for all but one of his seasons there. When he was in Phoenix, it probably helped that he had Nash and Stoudemire in their primes).

Q, I have at least one counter example. Atlanta and Mike Budenholzer. Atlanta had 15th best offense before him and without major roster changes they have moved to 6th place. But maybe just replacing Josh Smith with Millsap does the thing. I think that coach can affect quite a lot for offensive efficiency but it takes more time, roster stability and correct players that are able to execute coaches game plan properly before results are visible. Even mighty San Antonio didn't have this year as good offensive efficiency as normally because of injuries and I think no one could make current Philly roster play efficient offense.

I think that quite typically people tend to think that the amount points scored is same than offense and since it is quite common that certain coaches play fast pace game, they get the reputation of being good offensive coaches but in reality their teams have just more possessions.