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Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:44 am
by TheFuture
Lipoli390 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:54 pm
Monster wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:14 pm
That’s weird since it’s his best of the all the sections of G-league games last year in terms of efficiency.
Guess who else was playing on that roster? Jarrett Culver who averaged 15 points and 9 rebounds in the playoffs in less than 28mpg. He doesn’t turn 25 till next February.
The head coach of the Vipers is Kevin Burleson.
Stepping back and looking at all of Ty Ty’s stats leads the the same conclusion — i.e., he’s an intriguing young PG prospect but not someone to get particularly excited about.
Intriguing enough to use the last spot on the bench for. That is all I was stating. What else will we use it for? Some washed up vet? We will have a hole coming at the pg slot coming soon; now is the time to take a chance. TyTy might not be the answer, but he would be worth the chance.
Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:06 am
by 60WinTim
We might need that last roster spot when we have to take back an extra player on the KAT trade... (or, for Lip's benefit, the Rudy trade)
Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:13 pm
by TheFuture
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:06 am
We might need that last roster spot when we have to take back an extra player on the KAT trade... (or, for Lip's benefit, the Rudy trade)
What do you even trade one of them for? The new CBA just went into effect, and nobody wants to make a move. The Wolves can't decide what is needed around Ant yet. The holes I see are at PG (the big issue) and PF (because KAT is not one).
Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:21 pm
by Lipoli390
TheFuture wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:13 pm
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:06 am
We might need that last roster spot when we have to take back an extra player on the KAT trade... (or, for Lip's benefit, the Rudy trade)
What do you even trade one of them for? The new CBA just went into effect, and nobody wants to make a move. The Wolves can't decide what is needed around Ant yet. The holes I see are at PG (the big issue) and PF (because KAT is not one).
First of all, I want to thank Tim for throwing me the Rudy trade bone.
. Second, even if it makes sense to use our last roster spot on Ty Ty, we’d currently have to trade for him since he’s under contract and hasn’t been released. Third, I agree with future that our two holes around Ant are the PG/PF positions and KAT’s a center not a PF. Ultimately, trading Rudy will be easier because his contract is shorter than KAT’s, teams won’t have to give up much to get him, and KAT can then slide to his natural center position. The answer to KAT’s defensive deficiencies was never an in-the-paint only center like Rudy. It was a mobile PF like Aaron Gordon who was the perfect fit next to the defensively challenged Jokic. I’m not sure what happened to TC’s brain when he moved from Denver to Minneapolis.
Next season will be another learning season and a showcase season. The Wolves will be learning what works best with Ant and Jaden while showcasing KAT and Rudy for possible trades next summer. At least that’s how I see it. My guess is that the Wolves will end up trading Rudy at the trade deadline or next summer for less salary and a couple second round picks. The goal should be clearing enough salary to allow use of the full MLE next summer while staying under the second apron. If Ant and Jaden develop as they should and KAT returns to his 2021-22 form as he should then this team should be in good shape heading into the 2024-25 season with Ant, Jaden, KAT, Naz, Slo Mo, NAW and a good player they can acquire with the full MLE. The development of either Miller or Minott (maybe both) by that time would be a bonus. Meanwhile, it would be nice to see the Wolves bring in a young PG prospect to succeed Conley.
Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:58 pm
by kekgeek
For the last roster spot I’m still on signing a vet instead of going for a unproven PG.
The reason I say that is the wolves still have big aspirations this year and I don’t think the wolves are as deep as we think they are.
I trust our starting 5, slow Mo and Naz (Naz has his weakness but in general he is a very solid 7th man).
Then we have that next group in Naw, Shake and Brown. In general I like all 3 players and think they will be good in their roles. With that said that is no guarantee. Naw has been in and out of rotations his whole career and remember he was on the way out of the wolves rotation before Jaden punched a wall. Only playing 10 minutes a game in the last 7. Then he balled out defensively in the play ins and playoffs with his shot fell. I like Naw but he is super inconsistent with his shot. Then with Shake and Brown they both started multiple games for their teams but both were out of their rotations when the playoffs came around. I like both players and I’m pretty high on Shake but they are higher variance plays and no guarantee they pan out.
Then we have our bottom 4. I personally don’t trust any of Jmac, Minott, Miller or Moore to be ready to contribute on a team that wants to make at least the final 8 this year. Now I’m high ish on those guys futures but for this year I just don’t see it. Then Jmac maybe could return to his last 30 game form from the 2022 team but outside of those 30 games his shot has been a massive liability.
With how our roster is constructed I sort of just want Rivers back because I know rivers is a selfless guy who just plays his role and will just be in the right spot at the right time and has nothing to prove like young guys do.
I just think overall out 8-10th men have super high variance how their season is going to go and I don’t trust our 11-14th men to really contribute anything.
I understand people want to take a flyer on a young player with no track record I’m just saying our bench is pretty darn young outside of slow Mo. How many more young shots do we need?
Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:04 am
by TheFuture
kekgeek wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:58 pm
For the last roster spot I’m still on signing a vet instead of going for a unproven PG.
The reason I say that is the wolves still have big aspirations this year and I don’t think the wolves are as deep as we think they are.
I trust our starting 5, slow Mo and Naz (Naz has his weakness but in general he is a very solid 7th man).
Then we have that next group in Naw, Shake and Brown. In general I like all 3 players and think they will be good in their roles. With that said that is no guarantee. Naw has been in and out of rotations his whole career and remember he was on the way out of the wolves rotation before Jaden punched a wall. Only playing 10 minutes a game in the last 7. Then he balled out defensively in the play ins and playoffs with his shot fell. I like Naw but he is super inconsistent with his shot. Then with Shake and Brown they both started multiple games for their teams but both were out of their rotations when the playoffs came around. I like both players and I’m pretty high on Shake but they are higher variance plays and no guarantee they pan out.
Then we have our bottom 4. I personally don’t trust any of Jmac, Minott, Miller or Moore to be ready to contribute on a team that wants to make at least the final 8 this year. Now I’m high ish on those guys futures but for this year I just don’t see it. Then Jmac maybe could return to his last 30 game form from the 2022 team but outside of those 30 games his shot has been a massive liability.
With how our roster is constructed I sort of just want Rivers back because I know rivers is a selfless guy who just plays his role and will just be in the right spot at the right time and has nothing to prove like young guys do.
I just think overall out 8-10th men have super high variance how their season is going to go and I don’t trust our 11-14th men to really contribute anything.
I understand people want to take a flyer on a young player with no track record I’m just saying our bench is pretty darn young outside of slow Mo. How many more young shots do we need?
All of the young players will matter with the new CBA. Moore is not a NBA player. The Wolves are finding out their position on the floor, and they have nothing at PG moving forward. I wouldn't mind Rivers, I like what he provides.
Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:34 am
by Leado01
If more moves aren't made they will sign Rivers. He's a locker room veteran that appears to get along with everyone and can be a liason for coaching/leading etc.
Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:28 am
by Carlos Danger
I'm still in the camp of just leaving the last spot open. Reasons:
1.) Flexibility - like in case of trades as Tim mentioned (needing to take back players)
2.) It allows us to custom fit depth as needed by signing guys to 10 day contracts when one of our guys goes down.
3.) It provides some (minor) salary cap savings.
But the reality is...any of us could probably fill that last spot because all they do is sit on the bench and cheer. That last spot probably doesn't matter much. We have a very solid 1-10 roster - let's all hope those guys are healthy and logging most of the minutes.
Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:43 am
by Sundog
All right, all right, Carlos stop lobbying me, I’ll take the last roster spot and promise to cheer my significant ass off!
Re: Last roster spot
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:26 am
by KG4Ever
I think our top ten is deep and I think JMAC provides veteran depth, so Rivers doesn't make much sense to me. I also wouldn't be surprised if Leonard Miller gets some rotation minutes before the end of the year. I'm not really expecting much from Minott and Moore, but who knows. We got more depth than ever and we don't have any young point guard to groom as a potential heir apparent. I think we need to bring in a young point guard with good upside potential. We have two open spots (Roster and Two-way) and I want at least one of those spots going to a young point guard prospect. While there may be other names out there worth considering, my focus has been on Kennedy Chandler, TyTy Washington or the best young guard OKC cuts if it isn't TyTy (e.g. Mann, Joe). That's not to say this is our only avenue to get a young point guard, as I think the trade market could get us one (Cole Anthony, Killian Hayes, Jalen Suggs), but why not use our last spot(s) to take a flyer on potential. Also, some under 30 veteran point guards that will be free agents next offseason are Monte Moore and Tyus Jones, both of whom I like their fit here, but I don't know if they will command more than we can pay.
