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I'd maybe give up Jake Layman for Simmons at this point. Morey may have to schmooze me though.

crazysauce wrote:I'd maybe give up Jake Layman for Simmons at this point. Morey may have to schmooze me though.

Lol.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

thedoper wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

Get that money. I don't blame him even if he is making it up. Both sides of this have played it dirty.

Camden0916 wrote:

thedoper wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

Get that money. I don't blame him even if he is making it up. Both sides of this have played it dirty.

Maybe yes, but if the outcome is that he is prescribed medication or there is conditional treatment then this whole thing is fucked up. Wasting medical professionals time so a basketball player can get paid is a circus. I agree that Philly has been shitty but this is a step too far for what I would aspire too in this situation. Granted Ive never been in this employment situation.

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

Get that money. I don't blame him even if he is making it up. Both sides of this have played it dirty.

I always felt like Kevin Love was not in a good place mentally through the time he made his trade demand. It seemed like it really wore on him. He seemed off and then we found out years later he was dealing with some legit metal health issues.

It will be unfortunate if Simmons uses this mental health angle to get paid and not have to play when there are people with legit mental health issues that affect their ability to function. Do I think Simmons likely isn't ready to play mentally right now? Nope...at least not for the Sixers. Its it possible he is going through something right now? Yes although I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt on that.

thedoper wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

thedoper wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

Get that money. I don't blame him even if he is making it up. Both sides of this have played it dirty.

Maybe yes, but if the outcome is that he is prescribed medication or there is conditional treatment then this whole thing is fucked up. Wasting medical professionals time so a basketball player can get paid is a circus. I agree that Philly has been shitty but this is a step too far for what I would aspire too in this situation. Granted Ive never been in this employment situation.

Its not like anyone can force him to take medication. Besides he wouldn't even use the prescribed shooting coach the Sixers offered so... lol It will be a shame if he uses this for his gain and its not really a legit mental health issue. I remember thinking that when Love made his trade request from the Wolves it seemed as time went on it really weighed on him. It turns out he was likely going through some mental health issues at the time and it ended up getting worse before he got help. I'm sure this whole thing hasn't been great for Ben Simmons mentally but this certainly seems convenient for him to claim now. If suggested or strongly recommended seeing a therapist if he is actually willing to do something worthwhile during the sessions might actually be helpful. If he is just going through the motions...well I'm sure whoever that professional is won't mind getting the paycheck.

It will be interesting to see if the Sixers really can wait this out as they say they want to. If they have the balls to do that to some extent you gotta respect that. If they make something work out well for them it will be the first time in a number of years (Maybe ever) that this type of thing has played out like that to the advantage of the team that received the trade demand.

monsterpile wrote:

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

Get that money. I don't blame him even if he is making it up. Both sides of this have played it dirty.

I always felt like Kevin Love was not in a good place mentally through the time he made his trade demand. It seemed like it really wore on him. He seemed off and then we found out years later he was dealing with some legit metal health issues.

It will be unfortunate if Simmons uses this mental health angle to get paid and not have to play when there are people with legit mental health issues that affect their ability to function. Do I think Simmons likely isn't ready to play mentally right now? Nope...at least not for the Sixers. Its it possible he is going through something right now? Yes although I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt on that.

thedoper wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

thedoper wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

Get that money. I don't blame him even if he is making it up. Both sides of this have played it dirty.

Maybe yes, but if the outcome is that he is prescribed medication or there is conditional treatment then this whole thing is fucked up. Wasting medical professionals time so a basketball player can get paid is a circus. I agree that Philly has been shitty but this is a step too far for what I would aspire too in this situation. Granted Ive never been in this employment situation.

Its not like anyone can force him to take medication. Besides he wouldn't even use the prescribed shooting coach the Sixers offered so... lol It will be a shame if he uses this for his gain and its not really a legit mental health issue. I remember thinking that when Love made his trade request from the Wolves it seemed as time went on it really weighed on him. It turns out he was likely going through some mental health issues at the time and it ended up getting worse before he got help. I'm sure this whole thing hasn't been great for Ben Simmons mentally but this certainly seems convenient for him to claim now. If suggested or strongly recommended seeing a therapist if he is actually willing to do something worthwhile during the sessions might actually be helpful. If he is just going through the motions...well I'm sure whoever that professional is won't mind getting the paycheck.

It will be interesting to see if the Sixers really can wait this out as they say they want to. If they have the balls to do that to some extent you gotta respect that. If they make something work out well for them it will be the first time in a number of years (Maybe ever) that this type of thing has played out like that to the advantage of the team that received the trade demand.

If Simmons is getting out of this via a medical issue, then a doctor would have to clear him to play. If a doctor prescribed medications it could realistically be a condition for him to play again. My point is more general that this isn't something to treat as a negotiating tactic, because the stakes can have an actual lasting effect on your life. But ultimately you are pointing out the reality of it. Who actually knows? There are likely mental health concerns there, but the optics of all of this seem distasteful on both sides.

thedoper wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

He's basically a passive aggressive Jimmy Butler at this point.

TheSP wrote:

thedoper wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

He's basically a passive aggressive Jimmy Butler at this point.

Right? Its insane. His value is plummeting because of the Sixers and him combined.

thedoper wrote:

TheSP wrote:

thedoper wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

Seems to be going to a new low when a player has to claim a mental health condition (that could be potentially fabricated) to get paid. This has become the holy grail for a soft generation, you just say mental health and by law the whole narrative has to change. Our world is fucked up. I don't want Simmons on our team if they start giving him Adderall. That shit will change you completely.

He's basically a passive aggressive Jimmy Butler at this point.

Right? Its insane. His value is plummeting because of the Sixers and him combined.

I'd love for that to continue to the point where Philadelphia's ownership gets involved and they take absolute pennies on the dollar, similar to how Glen Taylor got involved in the Jimmy Butler trade saga. It would be sweet justice for the Wolves to eventually acquire Ben Simmons for something as little as Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, and one/two first-round picks.