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TheFuture wrote:I just want to repeat that we are losing a high pick this year or next.

We gained a player who we rarely see play with our best player.

Essentially wasting 2 full years.

Meanwhile Wiggins is not missing games, and is playing at a pretty high level.


Russell being out really sucks, but Wiggins would never put up the defensive effort here like he is with the Warriors. Feels like the national media glare is forcing him to give a shit for once.
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BloopOracle wrote:
TheFuture wrote:I just want to repeat that we are losing a high pick this year or next.

We gained a player who we rarely see play with our best player.

Essentially wasting 2 full years.

Meanwhile Wiggins is not missing games, and is playing at a pretty high level.


Russell being out really sucks, but Wiggins would never put up the defensive effort here like he is with the Warriors. Feels like the national media glare is forcing him to give a shit for once.


I will say Wiggins still has not been good. Its mostly media narrative that Wiggins is this improved player Wiggins, he has a lower Pts per game, Asts per game, Rebs per game, Lower BPM, OBPM, PER and just a slight lower Vorp this year then his last year with the Wolves. He is shooting the from the field more efficiently and hitting the 3 at a career best (He is shooting around 50% these last 2 months from 3 what is not repeatable).

The Warriors are being outscored by 3.6 pts per 100 possessions when Wiggins is on the court compared to when he is off it. In every lineup Wiggins is apart of they are getting outscored by 3.2 pts per 100 possessions. In lineups without curry with Wiggins in them its one of the worst lineups in the NBA getting outscored by 12 points per 100 possessions that is in the 5th percentile of all lineups. In Curry lineups with Wiggins they are outscoring opponets by 1.5 pts per 100 possessions but in lineups with Curry that he doesn't have to play with Wiggins they are outscoring opponents by 5.9 pts per 100 possession and whole 4.4 better when he doesn't need to play with Wiggins.

Wiggins is not making the team better at all, in any metric.

Now Dlo numbers are terrible and worse then Wiggins. The one huge upside is with the small sample size of when Dlo and Kat play together. In lineups of Kat without Dlo in them they are getting outscored 2.7pts per 100 possessions but Kat with Dlo they are outscoring opponents by 2.6 per 100 possessions. So Kat is 5.3 pts per 100 possessions better when he is playing with Dlo compared to not. That is a significant number. When Dlo, Kat and Ant all play together they are outscoring opponents by 36.3 pts per 100 possessions what is in the 100th percentile in the NBA.

Dlo and Kat numbers together on the court is a very small sample size but there is significant data that suggests that Curry is worse when he plays with Wiggins and the Warriors are worse when Wiggins is on the court. There is small sample size that Dlo and Kat make each other better and Dlo, Kat and Edwards could be an elite lineup combo. Once again super small sample size but in the small sample size it is positive direction. We just need to see them play for a extended period of time.
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Kek, you make a fair point that DLO's disastrous on/off numbers (a team-worst negative 9.9 points per 100 possessions compared to Wig's -3.6 points) is tainted by his limited minutes with our best player (KAT) and arguably our second best player (McDaniels). I think those of us who are trying to grasp at any hopeful straw we can as DLOs return becomes imminent have to put a lot of stock in that, as we hope that the sum of KAT and DLO is better than the parts.

I continue to be concerned about how a starting backcourt of DLO and Beasley is going to stop anyone. Kek, I like some of the pairing data you talk about above. Is that from Cleaning the Glass? Do you get the same filtered results I get when you put DLO and Beasley in as PG and SG...-15.5? Again, it's a small sample size, but the results are obviously not very good, especially on the defensive end...and it makes sense considering the defensive struggles both of them have had in their careers. Hopefully I'm either reading those numbers wrong, or adding KAT and JMcD to the mix significantly improves their numbers together. We'll have to see...
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FNG wrote:Kek, you make a fair point that DLO's disastrous on/off numbers (a team-worst negative 9.9 points per 100 possessions compared to Wig's -3.6 points) is tainted by his limited minutes with our best player (KAT) and arguably our second best player (McDaniels). I think those of us who are trying to grasp at any hopeful straw we can as DLOs return becomes imminent have to put a lot of stock in that, as we hope that the sum of KAT and DLO is better than the parts.

I continue to be concerned about how a starting backcourt of DLO and Beasley is going to stop anyone. Kek, I like some of the pairing data you talk about above. Is that from Cleaning the Glass? Do you get the same filtered results I get when you put DLO and Beasley in as PG and SG...-15.5? Again, it's a small sample size, but the results are obviously not very good, especially on the defensive end...and it makes sense considering the defensive struggles both of them have had in their careers. Hopefully I'm either reading those numbers wrong, or adding KAT and JMcD to the mix significantly improves their numbers together. We'll have to see...


When Dlo and Beasley have been on the court together this year (No positional locks), they are getting outscored by 10.4 pts per 100 possession. So not good. Obviously. Once again though if you add Kat to that 2 man duo of Dlo and Beasley they are a +4.6 pts per 100 possessions and their defense has actually been great with those 3 on the floor together at a 107.2 (89th percentile).

I want to say I don't know if Dlo is the answer, if I was a betting man I would bet against the Wolves having legit success with Dlo Kat 2 man combo but I do want to see it. Dlo numbers are terrible this year when it comes to per 100 possession but also his most common lineup combination this year is Culver/Beasley/Hernangomez/Davis. There is probably 1 legit NBA player in that lineup combo and that is Beasley and he is more like a 6th man at his best
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Do my eyes deceive me or is Golden State down by 60 right now in the 4th!?! That'll hurt Wiggins' plus-minus......
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Q12543 wrote:Do my eyes deceive me or is Golden State down by 60 right now in the 4th!?! That'll hurt Wiggins' plus-minus......


That's embarrassing. Oh my goodness.
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Darius Garland had 37 points and 7 assists tonight. He's quietly having a terrific sophomore season, averaging over 16 points per game while hitting 44% of his FG attempts and over 39% of his threes. Remember that Garland only played a handful of college games before an injury ended his freshman season. So his rookie season has to be viewed in that context. He essentially came to the NBA directly out of high school. He's going to be very good. I really wanted Garland in the draft. Rosas was right to want him, but he was dumb to trade up without knowing he could get him.

The Cavs and Pistons both won tonight. That's good news because it means the Wolves didn't gain any ground on them in the standings. It should still be a team priority to finish in the bottom three. The bad news is that the Wizards lost tonight.
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lipoli390 wrote:Darius Garland had 37 points and 7 assists tonight. He's quietly having a terrific sophomore season, averaging over 16 points per game while hitting 44% of his FG attempts and over 39% of his threes. Remember that Garland only played a handful of college games before an injury ended his freshman season. So his rookie season has to be viewed in that context. He essentially came to the NBA directly out of high school. He's going to be very good. I really wanted Garland in the draft. Rosas was right to want him, but he was dumb to trade up without knowing he could get him.
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He had 18 points and 10 TOs combined in the previous two games.

As with many young, talented players, inconsistency has been a bit of an issue. But it's very obvious that he's much better now and has more potential than the Wolves 2nd choice they were stuck with in that draft.
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Zach LaVine has 39 points at the half on 13-19 shooting from the field, 7-9 from three, and 6-6 from the line. Pretty good for a guy that doesn't play winning basketball.
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Camden0916 wrote:Zach LaVine has 39 points at the half on 13-19 shooting from the field, 7-9 from three, and 6-6 from the line. Pretty good for a guy that doesn't play winning basketball.


I mean they did lose by 12 :)
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