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I revisited my Myles Turner math... It's doable! I forgot that Donte has 750K in unlikely bonuses that count towards the 2nd apron. So, trading Green, Donte and Shannon for Turner leaves just enough space under the 2nd apron to sign 3 more vet minimum players to reach the 14-player minimum. The Bucks incentive is to get out from under Turner's long term contract and add an asset in Shannon (or draft capital with Shannon going to a 3rd team). I would 100% do this trade, which cannot be done until September 10th. The best part is, Cool will be MORE than satisfied!

A trade I am not as thrilled about that also is subject to the September 10th date is Donte and Green for PJ Washington. We keep Shannon, but are straddled with a not-so-great contract, which is Dallas' reason for making this trade as they build around Flagg with younger pieces.

[Edit: A Green and Shannon for Aldama could work as well, however, it seems Dallas traded for Aldama because they really wanted him... ]

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 9:03 am I revisited my Myles Turner math... It's doable! I forgot that Donte has 750K in unlikely bonuses that count towards the 2nd apron. So, trading Green, Donte and Shannon for Turner leaves just enough space under the 2nd apron to sign 3 more vet minimum players to reach the 14-player minimum. The Bucks incentive is to get out from under Turner's long term contract and add an asset in Shannon (or draft capital with Shannon going to a 3rd team). I would 100% do this trade, which cannot be done until September 10th. The best part is, Cool will be MORE than satisfied!

A trade I am not as thrilled about that also is subject to the September 10th date is Donte and Green for PJ Washington. We keep Shannon, but are straddled with a not-so-great contract, which is Dallas' reason for making this trade as they build around Flagg with younger pieces.

A lot of us are talking about PJ here, which knowing TC, that means he's not a possibility . Still, I'll keep playing because I think a PJ/Lyles tandem at PF would complete our roster. But yeah, we're going to have to give up something we like to get a guy who is an NBA starter. My guess is TC has been floating some of the deals suggested here featuring Green and TJ, but that hasn't been enough for the Mavs. They might bite it Donte were subbed in for Green, but I think the Wolves have Donte close to untouchable...he's coming off a terrific year, might be back for the playoffs, and as an elite catch and shoot 3-point shooter, is ideal next to Ball. I've said this before and I know it's not popular, but TC may have to include Ayo in a package when he becomes trade-eligible if the mix and match PF experiment doesn't work.

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 9:36 am

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 9:03 am I revisited my Myles Turner math... It's doable! I forgot that Donte has 750K in unlikely bonuses that count towards the 2nd apron. So, trading Green, Donte and Shannon for Turner leaves just enough space under the 2nd apron to sign 3 more vet minimum players to reach the 14-player minimum. The Bucks incentive is to get out from under Turner's long term contract and add an asset in Shannon (or draft capital with Shannon going to a 3rd team). I would 100% do this trade, which cannot be done until September 10th. The best part is, Cool will be MORE than satisfied!

A trade I am not as thrilled about that also is subject to the September 10th date is Donte and Green for PJ Washington. We keep Shannon, but are straddled with a not-so-great contract, which is Dallas' reason for making this trade as they build around Flagg with younger pieces.

A lot of us are talking about PJ here, which knowing TC, that means he's not a possibility . Still, I'll keep playing because I think a PJ/Lyles tandem at PF would complete our roster. But yeah, we're going to have to give up something we like to get a guy who is an NBA starter. My guess is TC has been floating some of the deals suggested here featuring Green and TJ, but that hasn't been enough for the Mavs. They might bite it Donte were subbed in for Green, but I think the Wolves have Donte close to untouchable...he's coming off a terrific year, might be back for the playoffs, and as an elite catch and shoot 3-point shooter, is ideal next to Ball. I've said this before and I know it's not popular, but TC may have to include Ayo in a package when he becomes trade-eligible if the mix and match PF experiment doesn't work.

i think you completely undervalue Ayo, and he will be here for the long haul. Our primary backcourt rotation of Ball, Ayo and ANT is a foundation, not to mention Ayo being insurance on a Ball injury.

And on PJ Washington, let it be known that the trade MUST include both Green and Donte for salary matching purposes. I believe Shannon would not be needed. The Mavs are heavy on bigs and short on guards. Add in PJ's big, long-term contract, and the Green/Donte trade makes a lot of sense for both teams.

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 10:12 am

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 9:36 am

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 9:03 am I revisited my Myles Turner math... It's doable! I forgot that Donte has 750K in unlikely bonuses that count towards the 2nd apron. So, trading Green, Donte and Shannon for Turner leaves just enough space under the 2nd apron to sign 3 more vet minimum players to reach the 14-player minimum. The Bucks incentive is to get out from under Turner's long term contract and add an asset in Shannon (or draft capital with Shannon going to a 3rd team). I would 100% do this trade, which cannot be done until September 10th. The best part is, Cool will be MORE than satisfied!

A trade I am not as thrilled about that also is subject to the September 10th date is Donte and Green for PJ Washington. We keep Shannon, but are straddled with a not-so-great contract, which is Dallas' reason for making this trade as they build around Flagg with younger pieces.

A lot of us are talking about PJ here, which knowing TC, that means he's not a possibility . Still, I'll keep playing because I think a PJ/Lyles tandem at PF would complete our roster. But yeah, we're going to have to give up something we like to get a guy who is an NBA starter. My guess is TC has been floating some of the deals suggested here featuring Green and TJ, but that hasn't been enough for the Mavs. They might bite it Donte were subbed in for Green, but I think the Wolves have Donte close to untouchable...he's coming off a terrific year, might be back for the playoffs, and as an elite catch and shoot 3-point shooter, is ideal next to Ball. I've said this before and I know it's not popular, but TC may have to include Ayo in a package when he becomes trade-eligible if the mix and match PF experiment doesn't work.

i think you completely undervalue Ayo, and he will be here for the long haul. Our primary backcourt rotation of Ball, Ayo and ANT is a foundation, not to mention Ayo being insurance on a Ball injury.

And on PJ Washington, let it be known that the trade MUST include both Green and Donte for salary matching purposes. I believe Shannon would not be needed. The Mavs are heavy on bigs and short on guards. Add in PJ's big, long-term contract, and the Green/Donte trade makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Trading Green and Donte for Washington would put us at $219,444,328 for the 27-28 season with 10 guys guaranteed. The salary cap is only expected to go up 5.5% that season so the 1st apron would be around $220,500,000 and the 2nd apron of the 27-28 season would around 234 million. We would already be above the first apron with Ant, Ball, Jaden, Rudy, Washington, Ayo, Joan, Shannon, Evans, and 4 roster spots to fill. Of course that would be a problem for the future season, and you could always negotiate a longer team deal with Rudy again taking his salary down by giving him more years.

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 10:12 am

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 9:36 am

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 9:03 am I revisited my Myles Turner math... It's doable! I forgot that Donte has 750K in unlikely bonuses that count towards the 2nd apron. So, trading Green, Donte and Shannon for Turner leaves just enough space under the 2nd apron to sign 3 more vet minimum players to reach the 14-player minimum. The Bucks incentive is to get out from under Turner's long term contract and add an asset in Shannon (or draft capital with Shannon going to a 3rd team). I would 100% do this trade, which cannot be done until September 10th. The best part is, Cool will be MORE than satisfied!

A trade I am not as thrilled about that also is subject to the September 10th date is Donte and Green for PJ Washington. We keep Shannon, but are straddled with a not-so-great contract, which is Dallas' reason for making this trade as they build around Flagg with younger pieces.

A lot of us are talking about PJ here, which knowing TC, that means he's not a possibility . Still, I'll keep playing because I think a PJ/Lyles tandem at PF would complete our roster. But yeah, we're going to have to give up something we like to get a guy who is an NBA starter. My guess is TC has been floating some of the deals suggested here featuring Green and TJ, but that hasn't been enough for the Mavs. They might bite it Donte were subbed in for Green, but I think the Wolves have Donte close to untouchable...he's coming off a terrific year, might be back for the playoffs, and as an elite catch and shoot 3-point shooter, is ideal next to Ball. I've said this before and I know it's not popular, but TC may have to include Ayo in a package when he becomes trade-eligible if the mix and match PF experiment doesn't work.

i think you completely undervalue Ayo, and he will be here for the long haul. Our primary backcourt rotation of Ball, Ayo and ANT is a foundation, not to mention Ayo being insurance on a Ball injury.

And on PJ Washington, let it be known that the trade MUST include both Green and Donte for salary matching purposes. I believe Shannon would not be needed. The Mavs are heavy on bigs and short on guards. Add in PJ's big, long-term contract, and the Green/Donte trade makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Tim, I don't believe I undervalue Ayo at all...I have him just slightly less valuable than (a healthy) Donte, who was arguably one of our most valuable 2-way players last season. I would be quite surprised if the Wolves traded away an injured Donte. I would love to have them get PJ for pieces that we don't value as much as Ayo and Donte (Green, TJ, etc). but I can't see the Mavs giving up a starting PF for that. But you're right: The Mavs are now long on bigs and short on guards, and the Wolves are the opposite...that's why a deal makes so much sense. As much as I love Ayo, there is the "Ayo mystery" that we debated a lot last spring...how his teams have generally performed better when he was on the bench as opposed to on the court. I think we would still be fine at the guard position if we had to give up Ayo, and our PF issue would be solved with PJ/Lyles. I want TC to hang in there as long as he can with offers not including Donte or Ayo, but my sense is he'll eventually have to include one of them.

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 9:03 am I revisited my Myles Turner math... It's doable! I forgot that Donte has 750K in unlikely bonuses that count towards the 2nd apron. So, trading Green, Donte and Shannon for Turner leaves just enough space under the 2nd apron to sign 3 more vet minimum players to reach the 14-player minimum. The Bucks incentive is to get out from under Turner's long term contract and add an asset in Shannon (or draft capital with Shannon going to a 3rd team). I would 100% do this trade, which cannot be done until September 10th. The best part is, Cool will be MORE than satisfied!

A trade I am not as thrilled about that also is subject to the September 10th date is Donte and Green for PJ Washington. We keep Shannon, but are straddled with a not-so-great contract, which is Dallas' reason for making this trade as they build around Flagg with younger pieces.

[Edit: A Green and Shannon for Aldama could work as well, however, it seems Dallas traded for Aldama because they really wanted him... ]

That's a steep price for Turner but I would do it.

And our 6th 7th and 8th guys are then Joan, Ayo and…bones/clark?

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 10:49 am

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 10:12 am

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 9:36 am

A lot of us are talking about PJ here, which knowing TC, that means he's not a possibility . Still, I'll keep playing because I think a PJ/Lyles tandem at PF would complete our roster. But yeah, we're going to have to give up something we like to get a guy who is an NBA starter. My guess is TC has been floating some of the deals suggested here featuring Green and TJ, but that hasn't been enough for the Mavs. They might bite it Donte were subbed in for Green, but I think the Wolves have Donte close to untouchable...he's coming off a terrific year, might be back for the playoffs, and as an elite catch and shoot 3-point shooter, is ideal next to Ball. I've said this before and I know it's not popular, but TC may have to include Ayo in a package when he becomes trade-eligible if the mix and match PF experiment doesn't work.

i think you completely undervalue Ayo, and he will be here for the long haul. Our primary backcourt rotation of Ball, Ayo and ANT is a foundation, not to mention Ayo being insurance on a Ball injury.

And on PJ Washington, let it be known that the trade MUST include both Green and Donte for salary matching purposes. I believe Shannon would not be needed. The Mavs are heavy on bigs and short on guards. Add in PJ's big, long-term contract, and the Green/Donte trade makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Tim, I don't believe I undervalue Ayo at all...I have him just slightly less valuable than (a healthy) Donte, who was arguably one of our most valuable 2-way players last season. I would be quite surprised if the Wolves traded away an injured Donte. I would love to have them get PJ for pieces that we don't value as much as Ayo and Donte (Green, TJ, etc). but I can't see the Mavs giving up a starting PF for that. But you're right: The Mavs are now long on bigs and short on guards, and the Wolves are the opposite...that's why a deal makes so much sense. As much as I love Ayo, there is the "Ayo mystery" that we debated a lot last spring...how his teams have generally performed better when he was on the bench as opposed to on the court. I think we would still be fine at the guard position if we had to give up Ayo, and our PF issue would be solved with PJ/Lyles. I want TC to hang in there as long as he can with offers not including Donte or Ayo, but my sense is he'll eventually have to include one of them.

I don't think Ayo is untradeable, and he may be traded in a year once Donte is back to better balance out the roster. I don't think they move him at the deadline, unless a team really blows you away. Until that time, lets see what he can do healthy on this team. Last year he wasn't really healthy the entire time he was with us, but he was really hurting for that Spurs series. Scoring the 2nd most bench points in a playoff game in 50 years is a pretty impressive feat. And Ayo and Ball should really compliment each other on the fast break. Than again Donte and Ball really compliment each other as well with spacing. Hopefully Donte comes back this season, so we can see how he looks before we make a decision on trading Ayo. Ayo being 3 years younger than Donte and not coming off of a major injury favors Ayo long term here.

rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 11:00 am

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 10:49 am

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2026 10:12 am

i think you completely undervalue Ayo, and he will be here for the long haul. Our primary backcourt rotation of Ball, Ayo and ANT is a foundation, not to mention Ayo being insurance on a Ball injury.

And on PJ Washington, let it be known that the trade MUST include both Green and Donte for salary matching purposes. I believe Shannon would not be needed. The Mavs are heavy on bigs and short on guards. Add in PJ's big, long-term contract, and the Green/Donte trade makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Tim, I don't believe I undervalue Ayo at all...I have him just slightly less valuable than (a healthy) Donte, who was arguably one of our most valuable 2-way players last season. I would be quite surprised if the Wolves traded away an injured Donte. I would love to have them get PJ for pieces that we don't value as much as Ayo and Donte (Green, TJ, etc). but I can't see the Mavs giving up a starting PF for that. But you're right: The Mavs are now long on bigs and short on guards, and the Wolves are the opposite...that's why a deal makes so much sense. As much as I love Ayo, there is the "Ayo mystery" that we debated a lot last spring...how his teams have generally performed better when he was on the bench as opposed to on the court. I think we would still be fine at the guard position if we had to give up Ayo, and our PF issue would be solved with PJ/Lyles. I want TC to hang in there as long as he can with offers not including Donte or Ayo, but my sense is he'll eventually have to include one of them.

I don't think Ayo is untradeable, and he may be traded in a year once Donte is back to better balance out the roster. I don't think they move him at the deadline, unless a team really blows you away. Until that time, lets see what he can do healthy on this team. Last year he wasn't really healthy the entire time he was with us, but he was really hurting for that Spurs series. Scoring the 2nd most bench points in a playoff game in 50 years is a pretty impressive feat. And Ayo and Ball should really compliment each other on the fast break. Than again Donte and Ball really compliment each other as well with spacing. Hopefully Donte comes back this season, so we can see how he looks before we make a decision on trading Ayo. Ayo being 3 years younger than Donte and not coming off of a major injury favors Ayo long term here.

I agree. I’ll add that no player is ultimately untradeable in the long run. It’s situational. The only players on the Wolves roster who are absolutely untradeable at this moment are LaMello, Ant and Jaden because the Wolves are in full championship contention mode and those three guys are foundational to those championship aspirations. But I’d say that Rudy and Ayo are pretty darn close to being untradeable from the Wolves perspective right now. Rudy is critical to the team maintaining a decent defensive floor. Ayo is critical to the team’s ability to execute the obvious front office strategy, which is anchored in a dynamic, big backcourt with multiple ball-handlers, facilitators and shooters. Ayo fits that bill and does so far more than Donte does. Ayo is especially critical in light of Ball’s history of limited availability - whether it’s missing lots of games or being limited to 28 minutes per game as he was last season. We’ll also want to manage Ant’s minutes in light of his knee issues late last season. The way this team is built, we can’t afford a major drop off when Ball or Ant is off the court.

Even if someone views Donte as slightly more valuable than Ayo when Donte is fully healthy, that’s a moot point because Donte likely won’t even play next season and there’s no telling whether he’ll be the same player once he’s recovered from his surgery. I’ll add that it’s not an apples to apples comparison even if both are healthy. Donte is mainly a spot up shooter who also rebounds and provides great hustle and disruptive defense. Ayo is an excellent 3-point shooter as well with the same career 38% 3-pt average as Donte’s, but he’s also far more of a a ball-handler/playmaker than Donte. He’s also much longer than Donte with a 6’10.25 wingspan and 8’6 standing reach compared to Donte’s 6’6 wingspan and 8’1.5 standing reach. Ayo’s length makes him a much more versatile defender than Donte. Ayo is also a much more versatile and efficient scorer with a career FG average of 51.5%, which reflects the fact that Ayo is a terrific scorer on dribble penetration. Finally, Ayo’s age suggests he probably still has some untapped upside that Donte at his age clearly doesn’t have and that’s before considering Donte’s injury and its potential longer term impact on his game.

I’m a huge Donte fan and would not be eager to trade him if I were in charge. But I don’t consider him nearly as critical to the Wolves as Ayo. So I’d be willing to include Donte, but not Ayo, in a package for a starting caliber PF, depending of course on who it is. Nevertheless, I just don’t see teams assigning much value to Donte right now given that he likely won’t be available all season and becomes a free agent after the season. At this point he’d be sort of a throw in with marginal value (expiring contract and speculative long-term potential) for a acquiring team that values what Green and TSJ would bring to the table for them next season and beyond. If we could get PJ Washington, Jabari Smith or Myles Turner for Donte, Green and TSJ, I’d do the deal even though I think TSJ is going to be really good and in spite of the problematic financial implications for the Wolves.

I’ve given up trying to predict what TC will do, but I suspect he won’t trade Donte and I’m certain he won’t trade Ayo. So if we’re hoping for a trade to acquire a PF, it will be someone we can get for Green and TSJ. I don’t know who that would be or if any of the possibilities would be so much better than any of the current free agent bigs or the guys already on our roster that it would be worth losing both Green and TSJ.