DLO Trades

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I don't want money locked up like that for weak 1st round picks. I do agree that some sort of deal like that is about what we could expect for those assets.

Cam what do the metrics you like say about Hardaway & Martin?

Yeah, I don't think there's going to be a perfect trade out there given the circumstances, but I do think this particular trade would be an opportunity to restock some draft capital in years where Minnesota has none while adding a pair of quality NBA wings.

Tim Hardaway Jr. and Caleb Martin essentially grade out as slightly positive, or near neutral, impact players this season depending on which metric you value more.

Tim Hardaway Jr.
EPM: +0.2
RPM: -0.35
BPM: -2.2
RAPTOR: +3.1
WAR: 3.1
VORP: 0.0

Hardaway Jr. is overpaid for what he contributes, but he would essentially be filling the volume three-point gunner role -- think of a lesser Malik Beasley -- with much better defensive marks.

Caleb Martin
EPM: -0.5
RPM: 1.05
BPM: -1.1
RAPTOR: -0.8
WAR: 1.1
VORP: 0.2

Martin is actually solid value for a player that's started 34 games for Miami this season. He's played both forward spots throughout his career and has strengths in areas where Minnesota is weak -- perimeter defense, rebounding for position, and three-point shooting. He also plays with a bit of an edge, which never hurts to have.

The financials of this deal aren't fantastic, but they're also not too unfavorable considering Minnesota needs to maintain these salary slots moving forward. JaVale McGee is probably the worst cap casualty here that, theoretically, helps bring back that first-round pick from Dallas. Hardaway Jr. is solid enough that he could be movable in the future, if needed, and Martin is playing on a team-friendly contract that's worth keeping around.

[kekgeek]

Chris Vernon today mentioned on the mismatch that he has heard wolves have been in discussions with the Jazz about a Russel Conley swap.

Conley and Gobert 2-man combo was in 95th and 99th percentile of net rating these last 2 years

[AbeVigodaLive]

Chris Vernon today mentioned on the mismatch that he has heard wolves have been in discussions with the Jazz about a Russel Conley swap.

Conley and Gobert 2-man combo was in 95th and 99th percentile of net rating these last 2 years

I've always liked Mike Conley. But are we certain he's not more washed than Kyle Lowry?

[Q-is-here]

Chris Vernon today mentioned on the mismatch that he has heard wolves have been in discussions with the Jazz about a Russel Conley swap.

Conley and Gobert 2-man combo was in 95th and 99th percentile of net rating these last 2 years

I've always liked Mike Conley. But are we certain he's not more washed than Kyle Lowry?

Conley, Lowry, DLO....all seems like a bit of a wash between the three of them with various tradeoffs. I guess the benefit for the Wolves is Conley and Lowry help you keep that salary slot while accelerating the process toward a more Ant-centric offense since they are of an age where they are fine deferring.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Chris Vernon today mentioned on the mismatch that he has heard wolves have been in discussions with the Jazz about a Russel Conley swap.

Conley and Gobert 2-man combo was in 95th and 99th percentile of net rating these last 2 years

They also ran a heavy dose of pick-and-roll offensively, which almost certainly contributed to their effectiveness as a duo...

I sure wish this team under Chris Finch would have given that a try before personnel changes were involved. That's perhaps my biggest gripe with how this season has gone. This team has been mismanaged from the jump.

Also, Mike Conley is more washed than Kyle Lowry and far from being as good as D'Angelo Russell has been this season. A one-for-one swap would be abysmal.

[KG4Ever]

Interesting tidbit:

"The D'Angelo Russell situation is one to keep an eye on as well, as there was a lot of finger-pointing in his direction. Wolfson had reported previously that the Heat were interested in Russell and the Timberwolves might be a bit more willing now to part with him."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/anthony_edwards_is_reportedly_not_happy_with_the_minnesota_timberwolves/s1_16751_38313266

[Tactical unit]

Chris Vernon today mentioned on the mismatch that he has heard wolves have been in discussions with the Jazz about a Russel Conley swap.

Conley and Gobert 2-man combo was in 95th and 99th percentile of net rating these last 2 years

They also ran a heavy dose of pick-and-roll offensively, which almost certainly contributed to their effectiveness as a duo...

I sure wish this team under Chris Finch would have given that a try before personnel changes were involved. That's perhaps my biggest gripe with how this season has gone. This team has been mismanaged from the jump.

Also, Mike Conley is more washed than Kyle Lowry and far from being as good as D'Angelo Russell has been this season. A one-for-one swap would be abysmal.

That's exactly my stance a one for one swap for Conley or Lowry doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not a big fan of DLO but from the perspective of trading him we should be getting an asset of value otherwise what's the point of getting a veteran that may or may not fit better and locking up another year of salary. Now if they kick in a draft pick maybe that makes more sense. DLO's shooting and expiring deal is probably worth something to a contender but to move sideways and hope it leads to how many more wins? I don't see the point in those one for one type of swaps.

[FNG]

Interesting tidbit:

"The D'Angelo Russell situation is one to keep an eye on as well, as there was a lot of finger-pointing in his direction. Wolfson had reported previously that the Heat were interested in Russell and the Timberwolves might be a bit more willing now to part with him."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/anthony_edwards_is_reportedly_not_happy_with_the_minnesota_timberwolves/s1_16751_38313266

I don't think anyone should be surprised that Ant was unhappy at the time with how the team was doing...none of us were either. I'm guessing that despite his sore hip, he's a lot happier now after winning three consecutive games against good teams!

The comment about DLo is more telling and I think one of the most positive things I have heard this season. It's clear now that he was called out in the meeting. But more important, rather than sulking like many NBA players might, he has stepped up and played two fine games. Several of us who have questioned Russell's value here because of his horrible defense and inconsistent offense have never questioned his character. He appears to be a standup guy and an excellent teammate. Good on the Wolves for calling out a guy who hasn't been doing what he needs for this team to be successful, and even better on DLo for listening to his teammates and responding.

[60WinTim]

Interesting tidbit:

"The D'Angelo Russell situation is one to keep an eye on as well, as there was a lot of finger-pointing in his direction. Wolfson had reported previously that the Heat were interested in Russell and the Timberwolves might be a bit more willing now to part with him."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/anthony_edwards_is_reportedly_not_happy_with_the_minnesota_timberwolves/s1_16751_38313266

I don't think anyone should be surprised that Ant was unhappy at the time with how the team was doing...none of us were either. I'm guessing that despite his sore hip, he's a lot happier now after winning three consecutive games against good teams!

The comment about DLo is more telling and I think one of the most positive things I have heard this season. It's clear now that he was called out in the meeting. But more important, rather than sulking like many NBA players might, he has stepped up and played two fine games. Several of us who have questioned Russell's value here because of his horrible defense and inconsistent offense have never questioned his character. He appears to be a standup guy and an excellent teammate. Good on the Wolves for calling out a guy who hasn't been doing what he needs for this team to be successful, and even better on DLo for listening to his teammates and responding.

Or maybe DLo's agent told him an extension is not coming, so he needs to put his best foot forward for a new contract in free agency... ;-)

[FNG]

Interesting tidbit:

"The D'Angelo Russell situation is one to keep an eye on as well, as there was a lot of finger-pointing in his direction. Wolfson had reported previously that the Heat were interested in Russell and the Timberwolves might be a bit more willing now to part with him."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/anthony_edwards_is_reportedly_not_happy_with_the_minnesota_timberwolves/s1_16751_38313266

I don't think anyone should be surprised that Ant was unhappy at the time with how the team was doing...none of us were either. I'm guessing that despite his sore hip, he's a lot happier now after winning three consecutive games against good teams!

The comment about DLo is more telling and I think one of the most positive things I have heard this season. It's clear now that he was called out in the meeting. But more important, rather than sulking like many NBA players might, he has stepped up and played two fine games. Several of us who have questioned Russell's value here because of his horrible defense and inconsistent offense have never questioned his character. He appears to be a standup guy and an excellent teammate. Good on the Wolves for calling out a guy who hasn't been doing what he needs for this team to be successful, and even better on DLo for listening to his teammates and responding.

Or maybe DLo's agent told him an extension is not coming, so he needs to put his best foot forward for a new contract in free agency... ;-)

Ha, not sure Tim! In any event, there has been a welcome increase in his defensive effort in the past three games, and it's been nice to see...let's hope he can keep it up, especially if Ant's absence leads to a Russell/Nowell backcourt.