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Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:27 am
by AbeVigodaLive
BizarroJerry wrote:Covington should be our best shooter. Is his volume down? Does Ryan not like him?



Part of it is that teams are daring other Wolves to shoot. As for Covington's shooting... he's a career 36% behind the arc.

The league average over that time is about 35.5%. So... he's just slightly better than average. The problem is when he's a team's 2nd best three point shooter... or considered a three point "specialist" who takes nearly 60% of his attempts behind the arc.

He's a very streaky shooter. And a very good defender. Good teams would salivate with him as their 4th or 5th option.

Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:15 am
by Wolvesfan21
What hurts is Graham shooting 20% 3P and the slump doesn't look like it's going to end. Teague is also 25% on the year and fails to pull the trigger as well. You got two guys in the starting lineup / or were and that's going to kill the offensive production. I don't know how much longer you can roll with Graham if he doesn't start knocking down shots. Just start hitting at least 1/3rd and we can accept that if your defense is excellent. 20% is abhorrent. Yeah I had to use that word.

KAT is carrying the team at 44% 3P. Wiggins is above his career avg (33) at 35 and change.

Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:17 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BizarroJerry wrote:Covington should be our best shooter. Is his volume down? Does Ryan not like him?



Part of it is that teams are daring other Wolves to shoot. As for Covington's shooting... he's a career 36% behind the arc.

The league average over that time is about 35.5%. So... he's just slightly better than average. The problem is when he's a team's 2nd best three point shooter... or considered a three point "specialist" who takes nearly 60% of his attempts behind the arc.

He's a very streaky shooter. And a very good defender. Good teams would salivate with him as their 4th or 5th option.


I feel like folks have over-rotated a bit on Covington. He isn't playing as many minutes this year as the last few, but otherwise, he really isn't that far off from his career numbers, with a few puts and takes. His 3-pt shooting % is down a bit, but like you said, it's not like he has the reputation of an outside volume marksmen. His rebounding is up, his turnovers are up, but a lot else looks similar. The minutes just aren't there as they bring him back VERY slowly from his injury.

Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:21 pm
by Monster
Q12543 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BizarroJerry wrote:Covington should be our best shooter. Is his volume down? Does Ryan not like him?



Part of it is that teams are daring other Wolves to shoot. As for Covington's shooting... he's a career 36% behind the arc.

The league average over that time is about 35.5%. So... he's just slightly better than average. The problem is when he's a team's 2nd best three point shooter... or considered a three point "specialist" who takes nearly 60% of his attempts behind the arc.

He's a very streaky shooter. And a very good defender. Good teams would salivate with him as their 4th or 5th option.


I feel like folks have over-rotated a bit on Covington. He isn't playing as many minutes this year as the last few, but otherwise, he really isn't that far off from his career numbers, with a few puts and takes. His 3-pt shooting % is down a bit, but like you said, it's not like he has the reputation of an outside volume marksmen. His rebounding is up, his turnovers are up, but a lot else looks similar. The minutes just aren't there as they bring him back VERY slowly from his injury.


Agreed Q.

A couple fun stats in less than a quarter of the season so far. Covington is shooting his 2nd best of his career on 2 point shots. He is taking the fewest (percentage wise) of long 2s of his career. Covington is doing what he has been doing for a few years and he is doing it playing a different position than he has played primarily for a few years. I think if he stays healthy he will make more noticeable contribution on defense in particular.

Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:24 pm
by Wolvesfan21
Q12543 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BizarroJerry wrote:Covington should be our best shooter. Is his volume down? Does Ryan not like him?



Part of it is that teams are daring other Wolves to shoot. As for Covington's shooting... he's a career 36% behind the arc.

The league average over that time is about 35.5%. So... he's just slightly better than average. The problem is when he's a team's 2nd best three point shooter... or considered a three point "specialist" who takes nearly 60% of his attempts behind the arc.

He's a very streaky shooter. And a very good defender. Good teams would salivate with him as their 4th or 5th option.


I feel like folks have over-rotated a bit on Covington. He isn't playing as many minutes this year as the last few, but otherwise, he really isn't that far off from his career numbers, with a few puts and takes. His 3-pt shooting % is down a bit, but like you said, it's not like he has the reputation of an outside volume marksmen. His rebounding is up, his turnovers are up, but a lot else looks similar. The minutes just aren't there as they bring him back VERY slowly from his injury.


I seem to remember him being 37 or so percent the last 3-4 seasons though too. His number is down a bit from that, from very good to below avg. His defense is still spectacular, I don't know any other guy that has the skill he has defensively stripping the ball. Kawhi is maybe close. He's not a Gobert of course who blocks everything in sight but he doesn't let people by him to score either.

Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:29 am
by crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]
https://mobile.twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1201609369907015682

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1201562005351620608

Teague matches the eye test.

We really need a knockdown shooter to pair eith kat and wiggs.

Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:26 am
by Monster
crazy-canuck wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1201609369907015682

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1201562005351620608

Teague matches the eye test.

We really need a knockdown shooter to pair eith kat and wiggs.


Teague is in some pretty good company in that bottom 5. Lol

Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:51 am
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
monsterpile wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1201609369907015682

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1201562005351620608

Teague matches the eye test.

We really need a knockdown shooter to pair eith kat and wiggs.


Teague is in some pretty good company in that bottom 5. Lol


I guess the list has prominent names on it (even in the bottom 5) because it has a minimum of 2 iso possession per game and it's usually the better scorers that are getting those opportunities.

The thing that is shocking to me is that Harden isn't #1. I would think Harden would be the clear #1 guy, but I guess I don't know what metric they are using (?). Is it PPP? I mean, Harden has elite efficiency and almost gets nothing off the ball in catch and shoot situations, cuts, etc.

Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:52 am
by crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]
Less than 1 week left before Rosas makes a pitch for dlo.

How desperate are we to get a shooter at the pg spot?

Re: Next Moves for the Wolves

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:15 am
by KG4Ever
Check out DLO's plus minus stats for the year. Only one guy who has played more than 2 games is worse. DLO is a capspace killer and won't make us better. I'd take Monte Morris any day over DLO and he should cost us much less. https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1