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TheSP wrote:Jokic this, KAT that... Can't we all just get back to trashing Wiggins?

:)

I'm very disappointed in you SP. It should have been "Can't we all just Goback to trashing Wiggins?" #missedopportunity

well - we could go back further and bitch about Rubio. I would trade Wiggins for Rubio right now without blinking - even if Rubio had the same contract and that was my only option.

Both Jokic and KAT are amazing. That's indisputable. Likewise, I think it's indisputable just how much better the Denver roster is.

Montee Morris averaged 10 ppg / 4 apg on 49/41/80 shooting. Beasley averaged 11ppg on 47/40/85. And neither guy was good enough to start.

Is anybody claiming the Denver roster isn't much better?

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Is anybody claiming the Denver roster isn't much better?

Only pointing out the gap between the two rosters is so vast... that claiming one makes others around him significantly better is hard for me to know for certain.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Is anybody claiming the Denver roster isn't much better?

Only pointing out the gap between the two rosters is so vast... that claiming one makes others around him significantly better is hard for me to know for certain.

Whether Jason Kidd was on a good or bad team, I could tell he made the players around him better.

Even supposedly good shooters come to Minnesota and suck. I'm sure Morris and Beasley would ride the pine here too, only because they wouldn't be getting good shots. Be it our system, personnel, or the stars that dominate the ball we are able to take anyone and make them a worse shooter.

I think there is a tangible positive effect that Jokic has on his teammates numbers. Jokic is a great screen setter, this is a weakness for Towns. Jokic is also an amazing passer even when he isn't registering an assist. This is a part of his game that Towns has yet to excel at either because of lack of opportunity or lack of ability. I think screen setting alone is one way that Jokic makes his teammates better on the offensive side of the floor.

thedoper wrote:Even supposedly good shooters come to Minnesota and suck. I'm sure Morris and Beasley would ride the pine here too, only because they wouldn't be getting good shots. Be it our system, personnel, or the stars that dominate the ball we are able to take anyone and make them a worse shooter.

I think there is a tangible positive effect that Jokic has on his teammates numbers. Jokic is a great screen setter, this is a weakness for Towns. Jokic is also an amazing passer even when he isn't registering an assist. This is a part of his game that Towns has yet to excel at either because of lack of opportunity or lack of ability. I think screen setting alone is one way that Jokic makes his teammates better on the offensive side of the floor.

Jokic doesn't have Towns ability to score, but he is much easier to play with and lifts the games of his teammates. I don't really see how this can be argued against.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:Even supposedly good shooters come to Minnesota and suck. I'm sure Morris and Beasley would ride the pine here too, only because they wouldn't be getting good shots. Be it our system, personnel, or the stars that dominate the ball we are able to take anyone and make them a worse shooter.

I think there is a tangible positive effect that Jokic has on his teammates numbers. Jokic is a great screen setter, this is a weakness for Towns. Jokic is also an amazing passer even when he isn't registering an assist. This is a part of his game that Towns has yet to excel at either because of lack of opportunity or lack of ability. I think screen setting alone is one way that Jokic makes his teammates better on the offensive side of the floor.

Jokic doesn't have Towns ability to score, but he is much easier to play with and lifts the games of his teammates. I don't really see how this can be argued against.

I hope everyone on our team improves. Wiggins, Towns, Dieng, all of them. Because development is the only way this team will ever compete for anything.The real problem of this team since KG has been our utter lack of ability to develop anyone to exceed expectations. We've had some players who have met expectations to a point (Towns and Love), but I can't remember a diamond in the rough who we've seen really blossom into something greater than the expectations for them in our system. Every other relevant team, (Denver included) seems to have that. Right now Towns is meeting everyone's expectations (albeit barely) so they'd rather talk about players (Wiggins) who have preformed below expectations regardless of whether those expectations were ever realistic. The reality is that everyone on this team has lots of room for improvement. I'm personally optimistic about our talent in a vacuum. I don't think we're that far off from Denver in that aspect. What I'm very skeptical on is our ability to mold that talent, which is where I've seen us get burned for decades on.

thedoper wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

thedoper wrote:Even supposedly good shooters come to Minnesota and suck. I'm sure Morris and Beasley would ride the pine here too, only because they wouldn't be getting good shots. Be it our system, personnel, or the stars that dominate the ball we are able to take anyone and make them a worse shooter.

I think there is a tangible positive effect that Jokic has on his teammates numbers. Jokic is a great screen setter, this is a weakness for Towns. Jokic is also an amazing passer even when he isn't registering an assist. This is a part of his game that Towns has yet to excel at either because of lack of opportunity or lack of ability. I think screen setting alone is one way that Jokic makes his teammates better on the offensive side of the floor.

Jokic doesn't have Towns ability to score, but he is much easier to play with and lifts the games of his teammates. I don't really see how this can be argued against.

I hope everyone on our team improves. Wiggins, Towns, Dieng, all of them. Because development is the only way this team will ever compete for anything.The real problem of this team since KG has been our utter lack of ability to develop anyone to exceed expectations. We've had some players who have met expectations to a point (Towns and Love), but I can't remember a diamond in the rough who we've seen really blossom into something greater than the expectations for them in our system. Every other relevant team, (Denver included) seems to have that. Right now Towns is meeting everyone's expectations (albeit barely) so they'd rather talk about players (Wiggins) who have preformed below expectations regardless of whether those expectations were ever realistic. The reality is that everyone on this team has lots of room for improvement. I'm personally optimistic about our talent in a vacuum. I don't think we're that far off from Denver in that aspect. What I'm very skeptical on is our ability to mold that talent, which is where I've seen us get burned for decades on.

Generally I agree with your post. I will say that I think Love blew past expectations and mostly in spite of the organization he played for although Adelman was the coach that got the most out of him in his whole career.