Hicks123 wrote:Would it make some sense to flip that Nets pick for Aaron Holiday? Solid (but not spectacular) PG that shoots lights out from 3. Pacers are pretty deep at that spot. I would explore.
Q12543 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:Well, it could have been worse. First, let's cut to the core. Yes, a lot of players and picks were involved. But for the Wolves it boils down to losing Covington while gaining Beasley and what will probably be the 15th, 16th or 17th pick in next June's draft. I guarantee that none of the other players we acquired will amount to anything and won't be around here long term.
I'd feel better about it if Beasley weren't on an expiring deal as a RFA, but because he is, the Wolves are vulnerable to being held up for a ransom or being hit with an offer they can't reasonably match. Remember, this deal is meaningless for this season since we were going to end up near the bottom with our without this trade. So the whole point of a trade like this is to help the Wolves in the long term. In that sense, the only meaningful long-term asset we know we'll have from this deal is the Nets 16 or 17th pick in next June's draft. I guess you can add additional salary space as a meaningful get for the Wolves, but only to the extent it helps facilitate a trade next June by allowing the Wolves to absorb salary.
So it's really Covington for the 16th pick in the 2020 draft and some additional cap room. I'm not crazy about that deal, but if nothing else this deal should make us worse this season and enhance our lottery chances this year. :) If we keep Beasley on a reasonable deal going forward, then the trade takes on a new and somewhat better hue. Unlike some, I don't see Beasley as purely a 3-point shooter. But even if that's all he is, he definitely fills a desperate need for us. He's definitely not much of a passer, but he's not a bad rebounder and he's a decent (or at least willing) defender. He's not very long with an 6'4.5 overhead reach and 6'7 wingspan, so he's an undersized SG without the skills to play PG. Personally, I think we already have a player in Nowell who will be at least as good as Beasley.
So how would I grade this deal for the Wolves? I'd give Rosas a C-. And I think that's being a bit charitable. I would have rather simply traded Covington for Capela and Houston's first round pick.
I'd give him a C I guess...it's just sort of meh. Does anyone really believe this franchise can take a player from another team and turn him into something better than he's been? I certainly don't.
Our SG position is now over-crowded if you include the G League: Beasley, Culver, Okogie, and Nowell. I guess we'll keep Nowell in the G-League for now, where he continues to have a lot of success. But I'm not sure how Ryan gets minutes to Beasley, Culver, and Okogie unless he slides Culver over to PG. I guess we could go with an all wing/one big type lineup.
All and all, this just feels like further deck chair maneuvering. We say this every year, but this team has got to nail the draft for freakin' once. We have two shots at it in the first round this summer.
Hicks123 wrote:Would it make some sense to flip that Nets pick for Aaron Holiday? Solid (but not spectacular) PG that shoots lights out from 3. Pacers are pretty deep at that spot. I would explore.
they turned Rosas' advances for Holiday down already.
One thing to note is apparently the 4-team trade isn't closed yet because teams that are sending/acquiring assets in the deal would not be able to flip them prior to the deadline. This is because players won't be able to complete all their physicals/exams before that time. So basically that means the deal could expand to add or reroute specific assets within the deal to different/new teams if any of these teams intended to flip an asset. Super confusing.
Short version - The Wolves probably aren't going to get Russell unless they somehow magically work him into this larger deal, or part with their existing first rounder in a separate deal. I would pass on Russell to guarantee yourself the worst possible pick and just draft someone who can be better.
FWIW, I would have rather gotten Capela for Covington, then drafted Haliburton and a shooter... any shooter. If we were lucky we'd dump Wiggins, but I also don't think it's a requirement if he eventually became option #3.
GymRat wrote:One thing to note is apparently the 4-team trade isn't closed yet because teams that are sending/acquiring assets in the deal would not be able to flip them prior to the deadline. This is because players won't be able to complete all their physicals/exams before that time. So basically that means the deal could expand to add or reroute specific assets within the deal to different/new teams if any of these teams intended to flip an asset. Super confusing.
Short version - The Wolves probably aren't going to get Russell unless they somehow magically work him into this larger deal, or part with their existing first rounder in a separate deal. I would pass on Russell to guarantee yourself the worst possible pick and just draft someone who can be better.
FWIW, I would have rather gotten Capela for Covington, then drafted Haliburton and a shooter... any shooter. If we were lucky we'd dump Wiggins, but I also don't think it's a requirement if he eventually became option #3.
I would have had plenty of interest in Capela also and mentioned that a few times when it came up near the whining of the season. One of the things they mentioned on the Dunc'd on podcast was his health issues. For Atlanta it doesn't matter much if he plays this year. For Houston what if there is a Real chance he isn't healthy for the playoffs etc? What if this injury thing is a sign of things to come? I'm a big Capela fan but maybe there was some risk adding him that makes less sense when you do have Towns already.
They must really be high on Malik Beasley and/or there must another move they're trying to get other the line. Otherwise why even include Denver in this trade when they could have also acquire Houston's 1st round pick too.
Would you prefer Malik Beasley or HOU' 2020 1st round pick?
Or would you have prefer just a straight RoCo & Bell for Capela and their 1st swap?
KiwiMatt wrote:They must really be high on Malik Beasley and/or there must another move they're trying to get other the line. Otherwise why even include Denver in this trade when they could have also acquire Houston's 1st round pick too.
Would you prefer Malik Beasley or HOU' 2020 1st round pick?
Or would you have prefer just a straight RoCo & Bell for Capela and their 1st swap?
Yeah I can understand the Capela injury concern, especially with plantar fasciitis hes' got right now. I just felt he could guard better in space in the PnR than Towns, and the team would significantly benefit from his value contract and defense. Capela is more versatile than a traditional center, but we know how this team treats anyone over 6'9" not named Towns.
Since GSW wants to get off salary for next season, I only see one possibility to get Russell. Send them Wiggins, our 1st rounder, and take back Russell, Looney, and one of Evans/Poole. I would pass on that though given the pick cost. I'm fine with the players involved, but would do it only if it was the BKN 1st and a couple 2nds at most.
Heat get a guy who hasnt played all year then extends him for 15+ mill for year for justice winslow.
while we give up the better player on a much better contract for a pile of doo doo.
Rosas is getting taken to the woodshed. He going to cave and give up wiggs + unprotected pick next year and the nets pick this year for dlo in order o keep kat happy.
