Q12543 wrote:LST, Jed Hughes - the Korn Ferry dude that is leading the search - is a major player in sports front office and coaching searches. It's his area of expertise.
I'm very much against giving someone like Thibs or JVG too much power and I'm not sure either of them are worth it if that's table stakes for them. I would prefer a "coach's coach" - a guy that loves to coach and simply wants to have his say and be consulted with on player personnel moves.
I actually thought Flip was a better GM than coach.....
Good info, q. Here's his KF qualifications page...sounds like a good football guy (even coached the Viking secondary at one point), but doesn't say anything about basketball. I still think this is merely a protective move, and that this will mostly be Glen's call.
I don't get the stability argument for keeping Sam. Do you really see him as the long term guy? I always saw retaining him as delaying the inevitable. Wolves would be looking for a new coach in a year, two tops. What good is that? Let's get the right guy in now and build continuity from that.
There's absolutely nothing in the Wolves' history that tells me any new coach will last more than a year or two...it's just not the way we have operated. The fans here become dissatisfied quickly with a coach, and the management team responds by making a change. And I fear we have reacted too quickly again just like we did with Flip, Duane and Kevin in the last decade. There was really nothing wrong with any of their performances, just like there was nothing wrong with this year's 13-win improvement. But the fanbase wanted a change. I'm just tired of starting over every year or two with a new system, and I'm not going to be surprised if we find ourselves in the same position in a year...it's how we roll here.
It's not just here.
It's a league where a COY winner gets canned. A league where a guy gets canned after winning 65% of his games. A league where a guy gets canned with a 30 - 10 record and a #1 seed before the All Star Game.
So if SUCCESSFUL teams churn through coaches, what do you expect from the least successful franchise in modern NBA history?
[Note: I think it's also important to note that Sam Mitchell was never hired to be the Head Coach. He was hired to be an Assistant Coach and only moved up the ladder through sudden and tragic circumstances.]
thedoper wrote:Anyone else find it interesting that the local reporters were the last ones to chime in on this story? Doogie sucks and I can't believe Zgoda gets paid for what he does. Only Robson tried to include himself in the story early.
I'm not a fan of any of the three you listed. They're not super reliable nor do they leak anything worthwhile, IMO. If I want news, I go to Jon K. That guy does a terrific job. The others are guys I'll gloss over and try not to take seriously.
Jon K is great and I like Wojo a lot too. Doogie is a moron and Jerry is average. Robson isn't my cup of tea, but I can see where others would like his style.
PA was saying Thibs wants the job. I would love JVG and PBO and Thibs as coach. I am thinking the reason we let Martin and Milton go is because agents of some of these guys called saying they wanted the job if available.
Camden wrote:Comparing Sam Mitchell to Tom Thibodeau is a very unwise move mainly because one gets results and the other...doesn't. I got shivers from reading LST's take on that one. Then the part about him being a very, very good assistant coach but not a head coach? How much further can one stretch?
The comparison was narrow, cam...I was pointing out that neither have much time or patience for the media, and thus aren't typical Glen-type guys. Glen likes congenial guys like Flip Saunders, and Thibs is about as far away from Flip in personality as you can get.
thedoper wrote:Anyone else find it interesting that the local reporters were the last ones to chime in on this story? Doogie sucks and I can't believe Zgoda gets paid for what he does. Only Robson tried to include himself in the story early.
I'm not a fan of any of the three you listed. They're not super reliable nor do they leak anything worthwhile, IMO. If I want news, I go to Jon K. That guy does a terrific job. The others are guys I'll gloss over and try not to take seriously.
Jon K is great and I like Wojo a lot too. Doogie is a moron and Jerry is average. Robson isn't my cup of tea, but I can see where others would like his style.
I was speaking on a local basis, but yeah both Woj and Stein are money in the bank as far as I'm concerned. Fantastic at their jobs.
The search firm is probably going to approach dozens of potential candidates about interest in the job. Once they have a list of interested parties, they will create a semi-final list of guys they are going to talk to. Just guessing, I would say that would be about 6-8 names. From there 2 or 3 finalists will emerge before they decide to talk finances with a particular candidate.
I don't get the stability argument for keeping Sam. Do you really see him as the long term guy? I always saw retaining him as delaying the inevitable. Wolves would be looking for a new coach in a year, two tops. What good is that? Let's get the right guy in now and build continuity from that.
There's absolutely nothing in the Wolves' history that tells me any new coach will last more than a year or two...it's just not the way we have operated. The fans here become dissatisfied quickly with a coach, and the management team responds by making a change. And I fear we have reacted too quickly again just like we did with Flip, Duane and Kevin in the last decade. There was really nothing wrong with any of their performances, just like there was nothing wrong with this year's 13-win improvement. But the fanbase wanted a change. I'm just tired of starting over every year or two with a new system, and I'm not going to be surprised if we find ourselves in the same position in a year...it's how we roll here.
It's not just here.
It's a league where a COY winner gets canned. A league where a guy gets canned after winning 65% of his games. A league where a guy gets canned with a 30 - 10 record and a #1 seed before the All Star Game.
So if SUCCESSFUL teams churn through coaches, what do you expect from the least successful franchise in modern NBA history?
[Note: I think it's also important to note that Sam Mitchell was never hired to be the Head Coach. He was hired to be an Assistant Coach and only moved up the ladder through sudden and tragic circumstances.]
Hmm...which COY winner getting canned are you referring to...the 2011 one, or the 2007 one?
Camden wrote:Comparing Sam Mitchell to Tom Thibodeau is a very unwise move mainly because one gets results and the other...doesn't. I got shivers from reading LST's take on that one. Then the part about him being a very, very good assistant coach but not a head coach? How much further can one stretch?
The comparison was narrow, cam...I was pointing out that neither have much time or patience for the media, and thus aren't typical Glen-type guys. Glen likes congenial guys like Flip Saunders, and Thibs is about as far away from Flip in personality as you can get.
I haven't seen, read, or heard anything about Thibs being an issue with the media, especially considering all the cooperation with the media he's had this past year. He has a pretty bold and cold personality, but from what I've seen has handled the media fine and has always taken the blame if his team played poorly. I need to be given some sort of proof on that note before I think it's an issue.
He has clashed with management from my understanding, but from what Bulls followers tell me, that was more because Paxon and the FO are dipshits with high egos. I guess that's a potential concern, but you can't really project that.
Q12543 wrote:LST, Jed Hughes - the Korn Ferry dude that is leading the search - is a major player in sports front office and coaching searches. It's his area of expertise.
I'm very much against giving someone like Thibs or JVG too much power and I'm not sure either of them are worth it if that's table stakes for them. I would prefer a "coach's coach" - a guy that loves to coach and simply wants to have his say and be consulted with on player personnel moves.
I actually thought Flip was a better GM than coach.....
Good info, q. Here's his KF qualifications page...sounds like a good football guy (even coached the Viking secondary at one point), but doesn't say anything about basketball. I still think this is merely a protective move, and that this will mostly be Glen's call.
http://www.kornferry.com/consultants/jedhughes/
OK, now that I see his picture, I don't like the guy.
