I see that you choose to have a very closed-minded approach to this and it makes up for a useless argument with you or a waste of time really.
I'm not following you on that angle. At all.
I try to remain open minded on most issues... sometimes, to a fault. If I'm wrong here for suggesting Real Plus-Minus should not be used as the one and only stat as opposed to one stat among many other stats... so be it.
Ok , I'll try. You say that you have a tough time with this Harden vs. .... thing. But you seem to think of his offensive contributions and not think of his defensive warts, but it brings down his total impact on his team. Likewise K-Mart on the wolves was 2nd best scorer but only distant 5th (KL 13.5, RR. 10.7, Pek 6.5, Brew 6, KM 2.2) in total contribution because we was a defensive black hole. And the rest of the team contributed next to nothing or even brought negative effect on the team.
I'm simply saying... as I have every single time we have a discussion on that stat... I think it's full of anomalies. And I'm saying that because there are so many statistics to grab nowadays... we can make almost any argument about almost anything with a stat to support our take.
As such... each stat should be taken with a grain of salt. Or, collectively. Or whatever.
And if you need more proof or confirmation of what you're saying, check out Q's bench player rankings that have Belly a B+ and Aldrich an A-. Any analysis supported by stats that arrives at those conclusions tells you just how badly you can massage stats to make a point.
Well, let's hear your assessment of these players then. My grades were made relative to what is expected of them in their roles, i.e. An A- for Aldrich doesn't mean I think he's actually better than any of the starters. I just gave him that grade based on what was expected of him in the role he was assigned. Aldrich is absolutely not the reason we are 6-14 and neither is Bjelica in my opinion.
Until the last week, our entire bench was brutal, pathetic, and whatever other adjective you can use to describe them. I don't need a deep dive into stats to be able to see that.
Of course opinions are what we do here, so mine is no better than anyone else's . But I will suggest that Belly is the most overrated player on this team by this message board.
I see that you choose to have a very closed-minded approach to this and it makes up for a useless argument with you or a waste of time really.
I'm not following you on that angle. At all.
I try to remain open minded on most issues... sometimes, to a fault. If I'm wrong here for suggesting Real Plus-Minus should not be used as the one and only stat as opposed to one stat among many other stats... so be it.
Ok , I'll try. You say that you have a tough time with this Harden vs. .... thing. But you seem to think of his offensive contributions and not think of his defensive warts, but it brings down his total impact on his team. Likewise K-Mart on the wolves was 2nd best scorer but only distant 5th (KL 13.5, RR. 10.7, Pek 6.5, Brew 6, KM 2.2) in total contribution because we was a defensive black hole. And the rest of the team contributed next to nothing or even brought negative effect on the team.
I'm simply saying... as I have every single time we have a discussion on that stat... I think it's full of anomalies. And I'm saying that because there are so many statistics to grab nowadays... we can make almost any argument about almost anything with a stat to support our take.
As such... each stat should be taken with a grain of salt. Or, collectively. Or whatever.
And if you need more proof or confirmation of what you're saying, check out Q's bench player rankings that have Belly a B+ and Aldrich an A-. Any analysis supported by stats that arrives at those conclusions tells you just how badly you can massage stats to make a point.
Well, let's hear your assessment of these players then. My grades were made relative to what is expected of them in their roles, i.e. An A- for Aldrich doesn't mean I think he's actually better than any of the starters. I just gave him that grade based on what was expected of him in the role he was assigned. Aldrich is absolutely not the reason we are 6-14 and neither is Bjelica in my opinion.
Until the last week, our entire bench was brutal, pathetic, and whatever other adjective you can use to describe them. I don't need a deep dive into stats to be able to see that.
Of course opinions are what we do here, so mine is no better than anyone else's . But I will suggest that Belly is the most overrated player on this team by this message board.
I hope you don't mind but I replied to your post over in Q's bench grades thread.
Since this thread initially had to do with point guard play... Thoughts on adding Patty Mills in free agency, assuming he gets a contract in the Matthew Dellavedova range (four-years, $38M)?
If we could get him at four-years, $40M or less, I'd be in on it. I've always liked his game. He's efficient as a scorer and facilitator, always been a good 3P shooter, and he's a solid defender. Plug and play in whatever role you ask of him. He'd probably fill that Kirk Hinrich role, but much better.
Camden wrote:Since this thread initially had to do with point guard play... Thoughts on adding Patty Mills in free agency, assuming he gets a contract in the Matthew Dellavedova range (four-years, $38M)?
If we could get him at four-years, $40M or less, I'd be in on it. I've always liked his game. He's efficient as a scorer and facilitator, always been a good 3P shooter, and he's a solid defender. Plug and play in whatever role you ask of him. He'd probably fill that Kirk Hinrich role, but much better.
Camden wrote:Since this thread initially had to do with point guard play... Thoughts on adding Patty Mills in free agency, assuming he gets a contract in the Matthew Dellavedova range (four-years, $38M)?
If we could get him at four-years, $40M or less, I'd be in on it. I've always liked his game. He's efficient as a scorer and facilitator, always been a good 3P shooter, and he's a solid defender. Plug and play in whatever role you ask of him. He'd probably fill that Kirk Hinrich role, but much better.
I think he's valued in SA and will be resigned.
I thought it was interesting that Jim Peterson said during the Jazz game that's george Hill was planning to go back to the Spurs when his Pacers deal was up but that's much less likely to happen now that he is with the Jazz. I hadn't considered that before but it would have made slot of sense. With that in mind I do think the Spurs resign Mills. If we could get him for Delly money as Cam suggests..hell yes it would be a bargain I've always liked him too and he has taken his game to a much higher level the last couple years.
